[GoneGirl]

I always heard that PM is safer than synthetic estrogen. But using synthetic HRT for a short time shouldn't present undo risk. There are several members of this forum that have been using PM for many months, have seen gains, but have since stalled on breast growth. Does it make sense to switch to estradiol for a period of time to jump start breast growth again? Then, when your desired cup size is achieved, drop back to PM to maintain fullness and mental benefits. A DIY approach without a doctor's approval would probably be safe for a relatively short period on synthetic estrogen at a low dosage. Once breast growth is achieved, it doesn't reverse.

Just a thought. Anyone taking this approach?

Clara

[rachel-rache]

Is this basically the exact Ainterol product that people will recommend for PM?

http://www.amazon.com/Pueraria-Mirifica-Pure-D-Capsules-Stronger/dp/B0055ILB1O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1397880374&sr=8-1&keywords=ainterol

I'm not sure what Pure D stands for.

For a program, I'm thinking about starting small with just PM as Samantha recommends, perhaps at 1500 mg / day?

Then, depending on how I feel I will take one of each in the remaining 3 categories: pro-hormone, pro-aromatase, potentiator.

http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=17830

I'm taking SP now but I heard that may limit the potential of PM since SP is also anti-estrogenic.

I will then rest at least 1 week out of every 2 months, perhaps using a cleanser like milk thistle or dandelion root that is more readily available at stores.

However, before starting anything (else), I will at least get a checkup from a doctor that I will be taking some of these herbs. Does anyone else have any other suggestions? I had a full physical with a clean bill of health last year and want to keep it that way With this, I feel like I won't feel that stupid when I look back in hindsight if something terrible happens to me.

[surferjoe2007]

When I first heard of how strong PM was my first thought was that it might increase cancer risk. So I looked for studies at pubmed.gov and to my surprise it decreases cancer risk, much like the weaker herbals. So there may be something involved besides merely modulating excess estrogen.

The general medical consensus on estrogen though is that it increases breast cancer risk a great deal. One of the main responses to breast cancer are anti-estrogen drugs. Even properly used low dose birth control has some limited risk. There have been tons of studies on humans and animals, plus plenty of in person experience with endocrinologists. There's no reason why TGs with breasts would be any different, though they might not have been studied. Any alternative is preferable if possible, or else careful monitoring by a doctor is important. In spite of all the studies endocrinologists are terrified of even the hint that an herbal might be estrogenic. Because they deal with a very real and very large number of cancer cases all the time. If herbs were anywhere near the real thing, they would have been banned a long time ago faster than you could say "ephedra", after the thousands of deaths that would have resulted by now from careless un-monitored use.

It would be good if someone interested would dig through other forums where estrogen is popular and see what happened to them since it's a new thing here. It would be helpful to gauge exactly how much risk there is so people can decide what's worth it. Like prescribed birth control, properly monitored usage may mitigate the risk. I did some quick googling and did find talk of recommending cancer screenings for TGs, risk similar to biological women, and so on. Someone else may wish to take a more detailed look.