[xxd]

So although obviously I haven't grown a pair of breasts since
I started experimenting on myself something has definitely
happened. I'm not sure exactly what caused it because I haven't
e.g. used PM solidly for the last six weeks and in fact I haven't
used PM consistently for more than a single week.

Up till six weeks ago I had slight moobs i.e. a thin layer of
fat over top of reasonable pecs. If I tensed my pecs I could
feel the muscle and it felt like pecs. My nipples were small
and I have no gyno. I weight 180 and am about 40 lbs overwieght
is my guess.

I started trying various different hormone altering herbs and
chemicals six weeks ago, culminating with use of PM over the
last two weeks for four days followed by a break of about six
days followed by the last two days on.

I initially experimented on myself for two weeks by rubbing
lavender oil onto my nipples twice daily and drinking five
cups of double strength spearmint tea. I didn't really notice
anything, no nipple itching, no fat gain, no emotional changes, nothing.

After two weeks I started getting headaches so I quit.

About then I took D-aspartic-acid for six days along with a
double shot of alcohol. Then I bought some white peony and started
taking that after taking the d-a-a in the mornings.
I got some mental changes as described in earlier posts.

I did that for a week. Still nothing physical. About three weeks ago
I got some concentrated genistein soy extract and started taking
that after the white peony once a day. I stopped taking the d-a-a.

Two weeks ago I received my PM from biovea. I took all three
simultaneously in the morning (PM, genistein and white peony)
and PM only in the evenings. I started to feel itching in my
nipples and I thought but was unsure that my moobs had added
a little extra fat on the underhang. I started getting very tired
so I took a break of about four days and took nothing.
Then I took all three in the morning again once and I got
ridiculous itching in the nipples. Also my nipples were erect
on and off almost the entire day. I also thought it seemd that
they became erect when I got excited (not necessarily sexually).

Then I took d-a-a for three days by itself then with white peony.
At this point I definitely felt that I had an extra couple of
cubic inches of fat on my moobs but they still felt more or less
normal. i.e. if I tensed my pecs they felt as usual.

The last two or three days, however, I've taken white peony combined
with PM and I have definitely noticed that I have quite a lot
of extra fat around my moobs and now I can't feel them as they
used to be. They don't look any different to be honest but they
feel very much like the fat on boobies like there is an insulation
layer between them and the pecs. They feel kind of cushioned and
definitely breast like in my hands but don't look any different to
be honest.

My nipples/areola have changed however. Although I don't think
I have actual breast buds there's definitely something different.
For sure I didn't have such sensitive nipples before and they
never ever went hard when I got excited nor even when I got
turned on. I also noticed that when they were erect they felt
different. There is a kind of little raised platform of spongy
nipple like material raising up from the middle of the areola
and surrounding the nipple, pushing the nipple up higher and
getting erect along with the nipple. It almost gives the nipple/areola
a kind of small cone shape jutting out of the areola when it's
erect. They also feel *really* good when stroking.
Oh yeah, there are also some small tiny dimple things surrounding
the nipple on the surface of the areola like lugnuts surrounding
a hub of a tire. Those little dimple things and the wierd
behaviour of the nipple/areola when erect are something new
I've never experienced before.

So *something* has happened and since it's very recent I can
only guess that some combination of the chemicals/herbs I've
taken has provoked this.

I doubt it's full breast budding but it *may* be that I have
provoked mammogenesis and turned on the breast tissue receptors
in the mammary fat pad.

I have to confess I'm very surprised by this because although
intellectually I did the research on this and it seemed that
a combination of the various effects of these chemicals and herbs
might alter the hormone balance in your body towards estrogen
I really really did not expect any noticeable differences.

So I guess the point of all this is I'm still not sure if PM
or anything else *works* to make you grow breasts or not but
I can definitely say that something has happened to my moobs
and my nipples.

I'm surprised delighted and scared all at the same time.
Surprised and delighted because if it does work it's so cool.
Scared because these changes while still very small compared
to photo graphs of MTF TG people on hormones after a couple
of years or so, the volume of fat I've gained in such a
short time couple with the nipple changes makes me afraid
of bursting out. I'm not sure I want anything bigger than
breast buds for the experience of having grown them and stopping
there. But having fully fledged 14 year old girl breasts will
be too hard to hide.

Anyways, that's my update. I'm pretty sure that herbs work now.

[SarahSchilling]

What you're describing is exactly what happened for me a month or so after starting PM.

The itchy nipples is a much better feeling than you'd think it would be by the sound of it. Makes me laugh out loud sometimes, like being tickled by an invisible force lmao

There's definitely a reason PM comes so highly recommended on this forum. Some of your other experiments probably helped too.

[Pansy-Mae]

the volume of fat I've gained in such a
short time couple with the nipple changes makes me afraid
of bursting out.

A few things...
Firstly, the spongy feeling and itchyness sounds like the initial fat redistribution, although since you apparently already have significant breast fat the actual buds might conceivably start faster in your case.

Second, with the assortment of different things you've taken and stopped and started, there is no way to know what has done what, and what has been a complete waste of time and money. You really need to pick one set of items and give that at least a month, preferably two continuously, and then decide whether to change to something else.

There is no way you will 'burst out' and suddenly overnight have boobs, it simply doesn't work like that. 12 y/o girl or 62y/o man....it takes at least 2 or 3 YEARS to develop, so there will be plenty of time to stop if you think you are getting to your personal limit.

[bryony]

Further to the above, if you are taking PM you may as well stop everything else...it is such a strong estrogenic it dwarfs everything else.

After 5 months I've got far more breast tissue than I really want! (I take PM now for other reasons). I have to wear a compression base layer under T-shirts.

B.

[seniorpantees]

yOU HAVE montgomery glands and help with with lactation.Pls read TANNER'S 5 STAGES ON BREASTS AND NIPPLES

[Vesperia]

I noticed what you are talking about with the nipples. At first I had thought it was my imagination but once I felt the cone-like shape in both my nipples I realized some growth was happening. I only used PM for a month and half though and after awhile my nipples returned to normal :/. So, you most likely haven't crossed into permanent growth territory yet.