[coolate]

Hello, I have been reading though these forums and many other sites for a long time, trying to learn as much as I can before asking any questions, but I am very confused on a lot of info I am reading. I am looking to grow breasts of course, but also I want to have a more feminine form, and fat distribution of a woman. I am looking to be as girly as possible. BUT, I also want to have a fully functioning penis. If I go with a mix of PM, SP, and Maca, will it lead to sterility and non-functionality? Shrinkage is less of a concern, but how much would be expected?
Also I have thought about a strong dose of hops before bed also, but I can't tell if its as effective as PM. Also, should it be cycled on and off use? So 23 days on, 7 off? Oh and has anyone here tried spearmint tea? A study showed it was effective at raising estrogen levels.(I can find and link it if anyone is interested....)
Thanks a ton!

[coolate]

Also, I was wondering what the "Mental changes" and effects, many on here mentioned are. I keep reading, people like the effect, but not what it is.

[Misty0732]

Also, I was wondering what the "Mental changes" and effects, many on here mentioned are. I keep reading, people like the effect, but not what it is.

Hello, Coolate, and welcome!

The "mental benefits" that most of the posts refer to is a reduction of the gender dysphoria or "gender identity disorder" that led most of us here in the first place. When I first joined I also wanted to be as feminine as possible. PM will go a long way toward making that happen, especially when combined with T-blockers (like SP).

However, very soon after I started taking PM the desire to be feminine reduced (a lot!) along with the anxiety that accompanied that desire. I also saw a dramatic drop in the desire to waste time looking at pornography and the desire to masturbate. That's the "mental benefit".

Now the ironic rub... the very substance that is feminizing me takes away the need to feminize. If I stop, however, the desire quickly returns. So in a way I am "addicted" to PM.

I hope this helps... good luck in your journey (wherever it leads)!

Misty

[flamesabers]

Also, I was wondering what the "Mental changes" and effects, many on here mentioned are. I keep reading, people like the effect, but not what it is.

Hello coolate.

Welcome to the board.

If you decide to take nbe herbs I think sterility and a loss of functionality are risks you take no matter what. Another change you're risking is a loss of sex drive. If this is too high of a price for you, I would advise against taking nbe herbs.

Some cycle, some don't. I think you'll have to do some self-experimentation to find what works best for you.

I think Misty makes some good points about some of the mental benefits individuals may experience while taking nbe herbs.

I haven't tried spearmint tea but I'm sure there are members here who use or have used this. When it comes to developing your nbe regime, I recommend starting with the fewest number of herbs possible. This way it's easier to find out what works and what doesn't, as well as what items may incur unpleasant side-effects for you.

I suggest looking through the FAQ listed in my signature block. I think that would help to resolve some of the questions you have in more detail.

[coolate]

Thanks for your answers!
After a few years to get to where I want, what would the matincence dose, be? How much would go back if I stopped, aka would i need to take it the rest of my life? Also regarding the sterility possibility, or non functioning, is that permeant if it happens, or will stoping restore that?
About the mental change, that seems so strange for me, as cross dressing is such a huge part of me, and a part of why I want to become more female. I see it as a step to do it more then just on weekends and evenings, I can't imagine not wanting to, and that actually is the most worrying issue I have about taking these.
Thanks!

Great FAQ!!

[Marina Kits]

Thanks for your answers!
After a few years to get to where I want, what would the matincence dose, be? How much would go back if I stopped, aka would i need to take it the rest of my life? Also regarding the sterility possibility, or non functioning, is that permeant if it happens, or will stoping restore that?

Maintenance dose will vary by individual and you'll have to experiment to know. You'll probably discover your maintenance dose during the course of your "development" so don't worry about it now. I'm pretty new here but I've been around long enough to hear veteran members say that shrinkage will occur if you stop taking the herbs. At some point, after someone achieves the development they want, I suspect they become far less active here or stop coming altogether so what happens beyond 3-5 years is not discussed very often. Sterility is something you don't want to take lightly. You and you're loved one will be heartbroken if you want and cannot have kids someday - that I know for certain. I can't imagine how much more painful it would be if sterility was self inflicted. Perhaps you should consider "putting some aside" because there mere fact that you've asked, tells me you have an inkling you want children someday. Even so, the in-vitro and intrauterine processes are not cheap, easy or guaranteed (been there, done that). Consider your steps carefully! VERY carefully.

About the mental change, that seems so strange for me, as cross dressing is such a huge part of me, and a part of why I want to become more female. I see it as a step to do it more then just on weekends and evenings, I can't imagine not wanting to, and that actually is the most worrying issue I have about taking these.
Thanks!

Great FAQ!!

My own experience is that the "want "to cross dress went from something like a drug I HAD to have to something I do because I enjoy it and it fulfills something within me. The guilt and shame I used to feel is no longer present and just as having estrogen coursing through my body feels "right", so does dressing feminine. It's also a lot easier to regulate the when and where because I'm not driven to do it. Oh, and it's no longer a precursor to masturbation, it's just something I do without sexual strings because it's comfortable and natural. Some members have indicated that the desire to cross dress and / or transition increases on PM. Everyone is at least, a little different.

[sfem]

Maintenance doesn't necessarily even involve the same herbs as development. PM is certainly strong and has the most developmental effects. A small dose can be useful for maintenance, but it doesn't have to be something as strong as PM. Since your hormone requirement is lower and perhaps you might want a different mix of receptor stimulation it's entirely possible you will be fine with saw palmetto and fenugreek or maybe hops as your maintenance instead of full on PM.
The sterility thing is a little exaggerated I think. I have no doubt some folks may be more affected than others. But I think most people only lose some size and perhaps some drive. Unless you really sock it to your system with a mix of stuff, PM alone doesn't seem to cause any inability to perform in my experience. If you stop everything, you will lose some volume within weeks and your breasts will lose their fullness. Any tissue and duct development is probably going to stay though, so you'll have somewhere for the grand-kids to hang their jackets. I have found a very similar change to what doodlebug describes with respect to my cross-dressing desires. The good news about the mental shift is that if you do experience it the same way we do, you'll be fine with it. That's how it works.

[flamesabers]

Thanks for your answers!
After a few years to get to where I want, what would the matincence dose, be? How much would go back if I stopped, aka would i need to take it the rest of my life? Also regarding the sterility possibility, or non functioning, is that permeant if it happens, or will stoping restore that?
About the mental change, that seems so strange for me, as cross dressing is such a huge part of me, and a part of why I want to become more female. I see it as a step to do it more then just on weekends and evenings, I can't imagine not wanting to, and that actually is the most worrying issue I have about taking these.
Thanks!

Great FAQ!!

I think it would be more accurate to say mental changes I've experienced with pm has reformed my crossdressing rather than extinguished it. I no longer get the "urge" to crossdress, but I continue to wear women's clothes. Wearing women's clothes has become more about comfort and preference than fulfilling a sexual thrill or fantasy. For instance, I recently bought some camisoles and women's undershirts. While shopping for these items my focus was on finding which items would best fulfill my clothing needs. I wasn't looking to buy the prettiest or sexiest clothing item with no regard how impractical it would be to wear the item for an entire day.

[sfem]

I have added a post to the NBE faq site that talks about NBE permanence and maintenance, specifically with regard to breast development. I think the other questions about mental effects, sterility, and sexual proclivity/performance probably should each have their own post.

[Marina Kits]

The sterility thing is a little exaggerated I think. I have no doubt some folks may be more affected than others. But I think most people only lose some size and perhaps some drive.

sfem brings up a good point about sterility. I don't know nor have I seen documented information that suggests NBE can cause sterility or even reduce potency. However, even without indisputable documentation, it's still prudent to consider very carefully what impact it MIGHT have if there's a possibility of children in ones future. Reduced testosterone, changes in semen, testicular atrophy... all have something to do with your reproductive abilities so it would be naive to think changes in your potency are impossible. All I'm saying is just be careful. I highly doubt having breasts someday will be more desirable than a child.