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Musings on gender identity

#81

By way of commenting on issues arising since my last post, and since I'm not very adept at handling quotes (which have become complicated here, I'll set it out by subject, some rather OT.

Crying:
Its not just sad things, its anything that produces strong emotion, and after a lifetime of trying to hide it, change doesn't come easily. Also, I don't want to go too far the other way.

Cats:
I like cats too, especially orange cats. Our present cat, who had lived with the dog for all his eleven years, also seems to be missing him. The parrot which has been with us for more than 20 years, fairly recently learned to bark, which is now a bit spooky.

Children:
I really don't know. My wife was over 40 when we married, and we agreed that we'd just leave it to chance; it didn't happen, and I certainly had my hands full learning to cope with her two. But I feel a little guilty for not having a son, since I am the oldest son of an oldest son and so on, sis or seven generations back, and am now breaking the chain. Too many of them were clergymen or aspired to be so, so they never accumulated any wealth.

Military history:
I find it interesting too. I remember being fascinated at the age of about 16 by a two volume biography of Stonewall Jackson, presented to my father as a school prize. One of my first cousins is married to a professional military historian, and another cousin was a very versatile writer, a significant portion of whose output had military historical content. To get back very slightly on topic, one of his historical novels involved the adventures of a cross-dressed woman during the Wars of the Roses in mediaeval England.

Absentee fathers:
My father was a reservist who was called up within two weeks of my conception, which was the end of my parents normal married life. I last saw him when less than two years old - he never saw my brother at all and I have no direct memories of him. So as seems to be the case for flame and Sarah, I was brought up by my mother. I wonder how many of us this applies to, and whether it is a relevant factor?

More on parents:
My wife's mother never wanted to have children. When she got pregnant she managed to arrange a therapeutic abortion (quite a feat in the 1930s). When she got pregnant again at the age of 40, her husband stepped in and insisted that she keep it'. In due course she packed her daughter off to a snobby girl's private school which my wife-to-be hated. Her father rescued her again and she was allowed to go to the local high school, while he generally brought her up as the son he wanted and never had. He was an industrial chemist and tried to interest her in everything from chemistry to his porn collection. After university she became one of the early female entrants to the patent profession in England. She has quite a mix of male and female attitudes and an aggressiveness that I lack, so we fit pretty well together most of the time (and even though she's 15 inches shorter than I am). While I try to work around problems, she takes them head on.

GID:
This is a convenient term but I don't like that the D stands for disorder. GD (gender dysphoria) means that you are uncomfortable that your gender at least partially fails to match your physical sex. Possibly variant gender identity is a better term and yes, they all imply being to some degree transgendered.

Learning:
If I want to know about something, I'll seek information whereever and however I can. Certainly one shouldn't reinvent the wheel, but some people invent very bad wheels, and since the reliability of information sources varies wildly one needs to be able to assess these.

Posting:
By posting, one inevitably paints a picture of oneself. I'm not at all certain that I like the picture I paint of myself. I tend to edit my posts until they lack spontanaity and get a bit too serious. I envy your light touch, Sarah. Smile

I've maundered on for far too long and my wife thinks I should be shovelling snow. Sorry.

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#82

(15-12-2013, 05:54 AM)mymoobs Wrote:  
(15-12-2013, 05:50 AM)Girl2B Wrote:  
(14-12-2013, 05:50 PM)mymoobs Wrote:  just out of curiosity ' despite reading and researching on net could someone enlighten me the difference between GID / dual gender / Aphrodite ?

I would think that GID is pretty close to someone being transgendered; they were born one sex, but feel as though they SHOULD be the other, as in, born in the wrong body.
I've never heard of DG, but I'd think it's someone that's just as comfy presenting as one sex as they are the other. They could present as a guy one day and present as a woman the next.
An Aphrodite is someone that is born with both sexual organs.
Thank you for detailed explaination . Just goes to show - you don't ask - you don't learn .

OOPS!! I dood a booboo!! I meant a hermaphrodite is someone born with both sexual organs. Aphrodite was an African queen thousands of years ago.
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#83

(15-12-2013, 01:45 PM)mymoobs Wrote:  
(15-12-2013, 06:38 AM)Girl2B Wrote:  
(15-12-2013, 06:03 AM)mymoobs Wrote:  
(15-12-2013, 05:57 AM)Girl2B Wrote:  
(15-12-2013, 05:54 AM)mymoobs Wrote:  Thank you for detailed explaination . Just goes to show - you don't ask - you don't learn .

No problem! :-) But, you CAN learn without asking. I've learned a LOT of stuff over the years without having to ask. I'm just very observant.
Not being rude but to spend hours on end trawling the and reading variation of answers , is it not easy to ask someone who already has done. The trwling !! Why re-invent the wheel ? Smile

In some cases, it may be more satisfying, and stay with you longer, if you find out for yourself rather than have someone else just dump the info you quest onto you. Also, looking things up yourself might allow you to find out more than the person that already seems to have the info you want. For instance, they might know all the ins & outs of how The Beatles recorded the "Revolver" album, but they might NOT know that there was a first pressing that was made by mistake and only a few copies were sold before it was recalled to re-press the correct version.

That's so deep !! Almost philosophical !!

Thank you! I think a lot. (I think.) I'm always thinking of stuff no one else thinks of, trying to find answers, like; if I'm travelling at the speed of light and I turn on my headlights, does anything happen?
If I spill Spic-N-Span on the floor, is it dirty or is it clean?
If I melt dry ice can I swim without getting wet?
If your woman leaves you for another woman, should you hold the door for both of them?
If Fred Flintstone knew the large order of ribs was going to tip over his car, why did he always order them at the end of every show?
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#84

(15-12-2013, 06:03 AM)mymoobs Wrote:  Not being rude but to spend hours on end trawling the and reading variation of answers , is it not easy to ask someone who already has done. The trwling !! Why re-invent the wheel ? Smile

We are not your search engine. We take the time to write posts, you should take the time to read them. Asking us to write them, then do it again, then do it again until we leave the forum is disrespectful at the least. It's probably a waste of time to point it out, but you would find you learn far more doing your own reading since you would then be exposed to things you hadn't thought to ask about. Try to get the most from this group, not the least. This advice isn't specific to you, mymoobs, it is to all those who thought your comment made sense.
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#85

AP,

In regards to absentee fathers, I think it's important to note both Sarah and I have a brother who we perceive as being very masculine.

Also, military history was also a common interest I shared with my father. I have wondered at times if the diametrical interactions I had with my parents have influenced my androgynous gender identity.

(16-12-2013, 02:56 PM)sfem Wrote:  We are not your search engine.

I like this statement. It makes me want to put it in my signature block. Smile
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#86

(18-12-2013, 02:21 PM)flamesabers Wrote:  
(16-12-2013, 02:56 PM)sfem Wrote:  We are not your search engine.
I like this statement. It makes me want to put it in my signature block. Smile

Quoting someone online is like cloning them. Goodness knows, the internet needs more me! Internet immortality, here I come! *chuckle*
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#87

(18-12-2013, 02:21 PM)flamesabers Wrote:  AP,

In regards to absentee fathers, I think it's important to note both Sarah and I have a brother who we perceive as being very masculine.

Of course, hyper-masculinity can also be an attempt to mask a feminine subconscious (a la Kristin Beck the Navy Seal 'Warrior Princess'). I personally engaged in many recognized masculine activities to hide my feminine inclinations. It's more common than it seems, I believe, because society devalues feminine traits and belittles any man who exhibits them. Angry

CK
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#88

I too have a brother' and no reason to suppose that he is less than fully masculine. After all he recently fathered another son in his 70th year! His wife is 30 years younger and very little older than his elder son!

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#89

Ha! The definition of an optimist? The man who at 75 marries a 25 year old and buys a house by a school. Heh heh heh. :-)
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#90

Hello everybody,

Sorry if I interrupted the proceedings on this thread.

I have always been fascinated by the female body. The smooth soft silky skin, the gentle curves, the gait while walking, the gentleness of the smile, oh the list just goes on....

I was unaware until a few months ago that hormones come in the way of us men having smooth skin, atleast on the face. I have dermarolled to remove icepick scars, used kojic solutions to remove some stubborn scars - some have fadded, applied sunscreen to protect myself from the harsh Indian sun, getting my underarms hair removed via electrolysis, starting to hate hair on my body except on the head and below the nose, epilating hair from below the trunk line and of course the most important of all, NBE! That is the internal me!

On the external, I dress and act as a male. I hold a fairly decent job in a start-up.

So who am I? That is a hugely unanswered question............

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