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Question about fertility

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This is something that has come to my mind since I've been experimenting with PM. how long does it take before you are no longer fertile after taking PM. I know there isn't an exact answer to that question and everyone is different but what would it generally be? I hated my genitals because they made me into a man and because of that kids was something i was sure i didn't wanna have but ever since i've on PM i begun to respect myself for who I am since it took away my anxieties. its like a catch 22 that im not too sure what to do with.
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(06-01-2014, 07:49 PM)girlalex Wrote:  This is something that has come to my mind since I've been experimenting with PM. how long does it take before you are no longer fertile after taking PM. I know there isn't an exact answer to that question and everyone is different but what would it generally be? I hated my genitals because they made me into a man and because of that kids was something i was sure i didn't wanna have but ever since i've on PM i begun to respect myself for who I am since it took away my anxieties. its like a catch 22 that im not too sure what to do with.

Well, Alex, that is a really good question. One that I cannot answer with any specificity. I can only give you my understanding from stuff I've read over the past few months.

What causes the loss of male function, the shrinking of the testes, and a drop in sperm count is the drop in the level of testosterone in the body. PM has that effect because the body tries to maintain a certain total amount of sex hormones (testosterone + estrogen) via homeostasis. If estrogen levels are forced up, testosterone levels will drop to maintain balance. The higher the E-level, the lower goes the T-level.

If your T-level drops way down for a long time, the testes will shrink and stop producing sperm. Raise the T-level back up will reverse the process. There is a point of no return, however. When that point comes depends on the strength and length of time that the estrogen is taken.

PM is a very weak estrogenic compound compared to human estrogen (estradiol) so its effect is weak. That's why some of us doing NBE also take an anti-androgen (e.g., SP or Spearmint) to drive down our T-levels further.

My guess is that if one takes just PM at the rate of <2000 mg per day, and also takes breaks periodically to temporarily restore one's testosterone level, complete infertility is not likely to occur. Sperm count could still be diminished, however, making it difficult to impregnate a woman.

If I wanted to grow breasts and was concerned about infertility down the road, I would arrange to have a quantity of my sperm frozen in a sperm bank before experimenting with HRT, herbal or otherwise.

I hope this helps, and I ask others to correct me where I'm off base.

CK Smile

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#3

Well, gee, I have gotten so chatty lately, let me chime in on this, too!
Beware, as this may venture more than a little too far into TMI!

I think, without looking it up, that I am going on three and a half to four years on PM now, without any real break, and averaging 2500 a day (though sometimes as little as 1500, and sometimes as much as 3500).
Since age is likely a factor, I am 61, so when I started I was, what, 57?

During the first year I noticed erections becoming difficult to manage, though still possible.
During year two I noticed emissions changing from milky to clear, and the amount diminishing. Erections became more difficult to attain.
In year three, emissions dropped to minute quantities, if there was any emission at all. That was really freaky, the first time I noticed that! The equipment itself was also shrinking.
Now, in the fourth year, erections are very rare. Emissions are non existant. And the equipment has diminished in size dramatically. Testes have atrophied so much they now live most of the time halfway inside. While "old one eye" has become so shrunken it is sometimes difficult to actually "dress" to either side successfully.
I have been contemplating taking a break for a while, just to see what if anything returns. But my guess is that regardless of what may or may not come back, that my fertility is likely gone forever. Not that I care about that. I have kids already and want no more.
On the upside, I do get a much "cleaner" line in my skinny jeans.Rolleyes
Does this help to answer the original question?[/i]
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Samantha, it's so good that you are still posting here after 4 years on your NBE program. The long term consequences of taking PM is of much interest to me and, I'm sure, to others that follow this forum. Thanks!

I'm even older than you (67), but in good health, not overweight, and still actively enjoying life. I, too, have no concerns about losing fertility. Sexual function is something I'm still trying to hold onto though. Why I'm not sure; sexual intercourse is even less important in my marriage now than when I was younger. It may just be the male half of me wanting to hang on to something of my old self. Plus, I think an erect penis is a beautiful thing (as does my wife). Tongue

From what you've written, I should expect to lose the ability to have erections if I stay on a PM regimen for whatever reason. I'd like to avoid that, so I am trying to find an NBE regimen that will preserve the physical and mental benefits I'm getting from PM while, at the same time, keep some male function. So far, I've been able to do that on a dosage of 1-1.5 grams of PM daily and taking 7-day breaks once a month. I'm still getting breast growth at that dosage (based on breast soreness).

My question is: Has anyone been able to accomplish this tight-wire act? Am I asking for the impossible? Will I eventually have to give up on my goal and resort to taking one path or the other? Maybe another way to ask the question is: How do very feminine looking 'shemales' like Mandy Mitchell maintain male function so well? Granted, she doesn't have large breasts (no implants), but I would die to look like her. Big Grin

CK

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Yes, Lol, an erect penis is a beautiful thing. Heh heh... The main reasn I was never gay, though, was that I could never get attracted to what the penis was attached to. Tongue

Well, I know people have said Maca is supposed to help, and others (Bryony, for one) tried Butea Superba. Speaking for myself, I have used Maca on and off for a long time, hoping to increase the curvature of my hopelessly flat posterior. I can't say it has helped much in the erection department. But, then again, maybe my erections would have diminished even faster without it?

That is the real difficulty with the entire NBE thing, it seems to me... dosage and frequency. I have not been able to come up with any way to judge the appropriate figures for either, based on age and weight etc.

It would be wonderful to be able to look up in some kind of table created from solid medical research exactly which herbs, amounts and frequency are right for each of us and our particular wants and needs, wouldn't it? Sadly, that fantasy is still a fantasy and we are left guessing.

If I had one thing I could change in this little NBA adventure of mine, it would be that I would have kept an exact log, with exact dosage, when taken, results etc. then my experience might have been of greater benefit to others. Sigh... 20/20 hindsight, as always.Rolleyes
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(12-01-2014, 04:05 PM)Samantha Rogers Wrote:  If I had one thing I could change in this little NBA adventure of mine, it would be that I would have kept an exact log, with exact dosage, when taken, results etc. then my experience might have been of greater benefit to others. Sigh... 20/20 hindsight, as always.Rolleyes

That's the only stipulation that my DW put on my wanting to start NBE: "Keep a daily log," she said.

So that's what I'm doing. It's already been useful to me, especially in keeping track of my mental state along the way which seems to be all over the place now compared to before PM. Unfortunately, it will be years before it will be of any help to the OP. Sad

I do plan to experiment with different approaches. I have some Butea Superba which works, but seems to counteract the PM, degrading my mental serenity. I'm going to try taking it daily during at my PM break, to see what happens. My wife doesn't much care for "break week". I get rather cranky, or so she claims.

I ordered a supply of Spearmint. I want to see the effect of lowering my free T level a little. I was tested for testosterone several years ago and found to be on the high end of normal.

I'm thinking that if I continue to verify male function monthly at the breaks, I could go several years on PM (but with smaller breasts as a trade-off). That approach might also work for younger members, like you, Alex, who want to maintain fertility and still play with PM. Wink


CK Smile

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Just an anecdotal footnote. I am currently without any SP. But I started with Spearmint tea strongly steeped after about a week off SP. I drank two cups a day for two days. Keep in mind that my PM intake remained constant at around 3000. After two days my boy bits were so shrunken I could hardly find them. Testes were virtually retracted, and the little guy, who used to be an decently sized average fellow, looked like a Vienna Sausage. Purely anecdotal, of course, and the weather in these parts was around 14 below at the time. Take it for what it's worth. Wink
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#8

Well lucky for me I had me fertility "removed" 10 years ago via vasectomy after my wife found out she was pregnant with our third child. As for erections I don't get to have any unless the little guy is released from it's prison, but I too would probably like to still be able to attain them when needed.

If you are concerned about having children down the road I'd certainly get some stored just in case.

And I too always wondered about how all those tranny porn stars remain fully functional. On a few other sites I've read that the little blue pill will still work it's magic and that is how some accomplish it. Anyone here have any experience in this area?
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#9

(12-01-2014, 05:24 PM)Samantha Rogers Wrote:  ...After two days my boy bits were so shrunken I could hardly find them.

Two days?! Huh

CK
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#10

Well, now, Clara dear, don't despair just yet. Remember that my "boy bits" have been under a heavy PM seige for well over three years, with much affect already. And, as they say, "your results may differ". Plus, the change could have been (probably was) coincidental. Could have been the minus fourteen degree weather.
So, don't go thowing yourself under the bus just yetSmile
Besides, I really doubt a short experiment with any of these herbs will have any lasting affect.Wink
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