(07-08-2014, 01:08 AM)epik123 Wrote: Hi Lotus,
Thanks for all your great, very detailed info! Very helpful! I am new to NBE and have just started doing some research about herbal supplements. I wanted to ask how do you know if you are Estrogen Dominant/Defficient etc. I am slightly confused by the results from symptoms in the list.
Are there DIY kits you can use to test this? I think I am Estrogen dominant and Progesterone defficient? But am not sure. I am 20 and have had my period since 14 or 15 I think? I am not taking the contraceptive pill.
What would you suggest if I do have hormone imbalances - does Maca help? I feel like I never went through sudden puberty or that the very slow changes weren't dramatic?
Thanks so much for your help!!
This DIY list was complied 6 years ago from a member named waxingmoon, I've made some edits to the original post, check it out, it's along read but very helpful. Maca is an adaptogen and helps to balance hormones. the full thread is here: http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=5135
Quote:Estrogen Dominance and Deficiency symptom list...
July 13 2008 at 4:41 PM waxingmoon (Login waxingmoon)
Here is the list of estrogen dominance symptoms- copied from the book 'What your doctor may not tell you about premenopause' by Dr. John Lee. As you can see there are quite a few. In order to consider yourself estrogen dominant you should have 5 or more of these symptoms. (those symptoms that are identical to estrogen deficiency are **)
Acceleration of the aging process
Cold hands and feet as a symptom of thyroid dysfunction
Decreased sex drive**
Depression with anxiety or agitation**
Early onset of menstruation
Fat gain -especially around the abdomen, hips and thighs**
Increased blood clotting
Irregular menstrual cycles**
Premenopausal bone loss
Prostate cancer (obviously this one is about men)
Thyroid dysfunction mimicking hypothyroidism
Water retention, bloating**
If you have 5 or more of these symptoms you may be Estrogen Dominant. Please keep reading and see how many symptoms you have from the next list.
Estrogen Deficiency Symptoms. I found this list on a website talking about early menopause. (those symptoms that are identical to estrogen dominance/progesterone deficiency are **)
Irregular Periods (changes in frequency, duration, skipped periods, etc.) **
Hot Flashes and Night Sweats
Bladder Control Problems
Insomnia/Disrupted Sleep **
Weight Gain (especially around your waist and abdomen)**
Skin Changes (dryness, thinning look)
Breast Tenderness **
Gastrointestinal Distress and Nausea.
Tingling or Itchy Skin.
"Buzzing" in your head, Electric Shock Sensation
Hair Loss or Thinning **
Increase in Facial Hair
Changes in Body Odor
Dry Mouth and Other Oral Symptoms
Mood Swings **
Lowered Libido **
"Brain Fog" -- difficulty concentrating, confusion **
Memory Lapses **
Extreme Fatigue/Low Energy Levels **
Confusion/Lack of Concentration **
Feeling Emotionally Detached
If you have at least 5 of these symptoms you may have estrogen deficiency. Keep reading to find out how to interpret your symptoms and what to do about them..
If the symptoms you have are all the ** ones (shared by both conditions) then you are probably estrogen dominant -normal estrogen with low progesterone.
If you have a lot of the top list and not many of the ** ones then your are probably estrogen dominant -high estrogen with insufficient progesterone.
If you have a lot of the bottom list but also have some ** or also a lot of the top list then you are probably estrogen dominant- low estrogen and even lower progesterone.
If you have mostly bottom list and nothing from the top list but the ** then you are probably estrogen deficient.
The only way to be more certain than this is to have your hormones tested. Your results for all hormone testing will be influenced by what day of your cycle you are tested on. Your estrogen and progesterone levels constantly rise and fall n your cycle.
You can purchase hormone saliva tests online and they can give some accurate readings especially for progesterone levels.
You can have blood tests which also can give some accurate answers, but also some hormones are not best tested with this method.
Sometimes you can test within a normal range for your hormones but you may still have symptoms.
1. Estrogen Dominance caused by normal estrogen paired with lower than normal progesterone. Hormonal need: increase progesterone to balance estrogen. NBE strategy: correct hormonal imbalance with use of vitex or progesterone cream first then try galactogogue based NBE.
2. Estrogen Dominance caused by higher than normal estrogen paired with a normal amount of progesterone. Hormonal need: lower estrogen levels. NBE strategy: use very low dose phytoestrogens (crushed flaxseed) to block estrogen receptors from more potent estrogens and possibly support progesterone with vitex or progesterone cream until symptoms abate. NBE that focuses on massage, suction or hypnosis may work better for this category.
3. Estrogen Dominance caused by low estrogen paired with even lower progesterone. Hormonal need: raise progesterone levels first then slowly bring up estrogen levels. NBE strategy: focus on increasing progesterone through vitex and progesterone cream until all symptoms abate. Continue support of progesterone and bring in galactogogues or low dose phytoestrogens (fennel, maca) to support estrogen.
Then of course there are all the mixes of Estrogen Dominance plus excess androgens, Estrogen Dominance plus PCOS, Estrogen Dominance plus ????? - so those kinds of remedies are going to need a different focus.
The basic idea in my opinion is to clear up the hormone imbalance first then attempt NBE.
Some women get over their estrogen dominance after they have balanced the progesterone levels. Some women continue to have problems with the progesterone/estrogen ratio and must continuously treat their estrogen dominance. There is no way of knowing what category you fit into. It is all
Galactogogues may be and effective NBE for those who are trying to find a method that does not increase their estrogen level.
Mind you, this is my conclusion because I have not found research showing that galactogogues (fenugreek and goat's rue) listed as strong phytoestrogens.
In the case of Fenugreek, it is listed as a steroidal saponin - meaning it is a precursor to hormones in the body, not a direct substitute for estrogen (which is what phytoestrogens are). This means that although our body could build estrogen from it, it would not cause the body to increase estrogen beyond its normal limits (assuming of course the body is creating estrogen at normal limits - I'm just saying that Fenugreek would not make the body do something more than it would already do).
Both Fenugreek and Goat's rue can lower blood sugar and this effect is much more pronounced in some people than others. Symptoms of low blood sugar can be headaches and dizziness. Some people can control these symptoms my bringing in sugar when they feel them (hard candy, fruit juice, etc), however it is never good to ignore strong symptoms. No method of NBE no matter how effective is worth damaging your health.
What not to take if using Galactogogues:
Fenugreek and Goat's rue both work by increasing prolactin which is why they would not be a good mix with vitex, which lowers prolactin.
If you feel that you need to use vitex in order to control your estrogen dominance, then do that first and when your symptoms seem to be under control then you can stop the vitex and switch to using the galactogogues.
One common form of NBE contains galactogogues.
There are quite a few herbs that will increase total body estrogen.
As I understand it, phytoestrogen effect on the body is very dose dependent and also very much dependent on the hormonal state of the woman.
Phytoestrogens also come in different potency. Some are much less estrogenic than our body's own estrogen (fennel for example) and some are more potent/estrogenic than what our body produces (red clover for example).
Here are a couple of ways a woman might react with an estrogen increase to phytoestrogens:
Example 1 - if a woman is not producing a lot of estrogen herself, she would probably have a lot of 'vacant' estrogen receptors. Any phytoestrogen used no matter how potent or low potency would raise total body estrogen. Whatever fills up those empty receptors will give her a total greater than what she had.
Example 2 - if a woman is producing a normal amount of estrogen and begins to use a phytoestrogen that is highly potent. Her total body estrogen might increase if the phytoestrogen replaces a spot on the estrogen receptor that was normally occupied by her own lower dose body estrogen.
Now here are a few examples of how a phytoestrogen might lower total body estrogen:
Example 3: - if a woman with normal estrogen begins to take large amounts of a low potency phytoestrogen. She might 'swamp' her estrogen receptors with the phytoestrogen and block her own body's more potent estrogen. (we call this stalling in NBE)
Example 4: - if a woman who is estrogen dominant chooses very low dose phytoestrogens (lignans, like crushed flaxseed) she can fill up her estrogen receptors with the low potency estrogen and block any higher potency estrogen.
Yes, it is confusing, which is why those who do a lot of research and reading generally get better results.
Also, remember - the idea of NBE is to find out what your body responds to and use the proper amount of it. The unfortunate general consensus that more is better is hardly an appropriate mind set. More can lead to serious unwanted side effects and also could lead to stalling.