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So I'm a genetic male looking for breast growth, and am starting to take PM, fenugreek, and RC. Looking around I've noticed a few other people of like mind also taking things like SP and BC. However, I looked online and various sites claim that SP actually increases testosterone (I would think you'd want to decrease it), and unless you have trouble with hot flashes, BC doesn't do anything? Do you think it's possible to have a decent amount of breast growth without SP and/or BC?

Hi BlueCoral,

Yes saw palmetto has been reported to increase testosterone. There are health benefits of using SP, but in a NBE program?, I chose to exclude it, one reason is it also inhibits progesterone receptors.

Testosterone (free t) converts to estradiol via aromatase, so why limit T when this is a viable option, DHT is the real enemy to stop breast growth. Inhibit DHT and breast growth will follow. If you want to grow breasts concentrate on the DHT, imo T isn't the problem. I stopped using anti-androgens for the most part, choosing to focus on aromatase (using WP), grew 4 cups, but that's just me and it may not work for everyone, that's why we experiment.

Effects on Testosterone
Preliminary research has found that saw palmetto hinders the conversion process of testosterone to dihydrotestosterone by more than 40 percent. These findings suggest saw palmetto may have anti-androgenic activity, which means this herb can possibly effect male sex hormones, or androgens. This suggests that saw palmetto may increase testosterone levels by inhibiting up-conversion to dihydrotestosterone. While proponents of this herb claim it can affect testosterone levels and other male hormones, a study outlined by Drugs.com found no change in plasma testosterone levels after supplementing for 30 days.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/522054...tosterone/

BC is birth control, RC-red clover, I'd start with 1-estrogenic herb based on experience.