(24-03-2016, 07:54 PM)AbiDrew85 Wrote: I did some searching and it seems my symptoms could align with early signs of liver damage, and that in large enough doses with certain other conditions met, too much EGCg supplementation can cause liver toxicity. For now I am going to skip the next few days and evaluate. I might after recovering resume with only a third as much and see if that proves safe for now. In a couple weeks when the partner starts getting pay checks from the new job I'll see what I can add to reduce the liver impact at more concentrated doses. It's going to require extensive research into the anti-oxidant chain.
What apparently happens is that at high blood concentration with just the right mix of oxidative stressors and other anti-oxidants the anti-oxidative quality of the EGCg gets turned on itself, becoming its own source of oxidative stress without enough of the next anti-oxidants in the chain to scavenge the radicals formed by the EGCg with the lessor radicals it scavenged in turn.
The good news in all of this is that it means I was indeed getting my blood concentration of EGCg nice and high from my synergistic combo... But it's going to take more work to make it safe long term, with more supplements to protect my liver from the oxidative stress being introduced at this time, and also to ensure I don't just shift the danger somewhere else, it won't just be liver anti-oxidants I may need to add, thus the extensive research. The complete chain of free radicals and anti-oxidants to scavenge them is not a field I've done any previous study in.
It may be I can find a pre-made synergistic blend to take the liver damaging radicals all the way to an inert form, that'd be nice... But it would require the aforementioned research. I'm not risking any further damage to any of my other organs.
Abi,
Sorry you're not doing well. Sounds pretty bad...
What I've read and experienced would point to dandelion root tea, and blueberries. Wolf berries, if you can find them, even "worse." Dark berries will help detox the system, and dandelion root tea is a common liver cleanse. Also removes heavy metals (the blueberries).
Not sure, you might also benefit from a Cayenne/lemon water approach. Cayenne has Niacin, will cause a flush to improve circulation. You can also use hot sauce, try Tabasco. Lemon water supposedly helps clean the body, and causes a diuretic effect. So will normal tea or coffee, though.
You might also want to consider candida yeast as a cause, if your tongue is coated in white - that's a good indication the yeast has gone fungal. Lemon water helps kill it, and another go-to is coconut oil, I believe.
One thing I'm dealing with is over-exertion for food in. It would be awesome if we could just workout for 10 hours straight and lose (500 calories / hour * 10 hours = 5,000 calories, 3500 cals = 1 pound of body fat, so) like 1.5 pounds just of fat...
Well, I've hit a point where body parts aren't recovering, because I'm working too hard for the food intake on the Keto diet I was using. Still am using. ;-)
I have a work-around, but check your nutrition. Might be worth it to look into Superfood (t-nation supplement) or at the least, a good multivitamin, if you've been foregoing the expense. One of the first bariatric surgery patients died from malnutrition, and she was still fat at the time. They overdid her stomach reduction... She couldn't keep food down or digest it. The symptoms also sound similar to yours, dizziness, infirmity, etc. So electrolytes, potassium, magnesium, zinc, manganese, in salt forms. Gatorade would work, or if you have some, pink or red salt - just put it on your tongue, enjoy (if it tastes bad, it's the wrong solution), and then some water to wash it down.
Keep us posted, please. We'll want to hear your recovery. ;-)
-Dianna
