[jannet.duff]

I came across this on the facebook HRT forum, i thought it was very relevant to this site too. 
Of couese, swap HRT for NBE.

If you begin HRT you must be willing to lose some or all of your penetrative male sexuality.  Some will tell you they are fully functional and others will say they are not.  It's a crap shoot and you must sign up for any possibility.  If you're not willing to do that, you should not start HRT.  Also remember that starting and stopping HRT is an easy way to reduce your potential for maximum breast growth, and reduce your male sexual ability, BOTH at the same time.  If you are uncertain of what you want, perhaps you should explore it with a gender therapist who knows how to help you see what your real goals are. Sorry if those words seem harsh, but it's important to be clear with what you want to accomplish.  If you want maximum male potency and maximum female appearance, you may want to do what the porn girls do, which is mostly surgery and cosmetic expertise.

[Happyme]

Thanks Jannet
That pretty much sums it all.
I hadnt realized that start stop HRT was counterproductive for breast growth. Very Interesting
Bobbi

[julieTG]

Sorry not convinced stop start is counter productive

Slower often yields larger breasts

Who is the expert who wrote the paragraph 

Julie

[dcdee]

This is one of those food for thought threads that should be placed on the top of the discussion board for all of the new-be to read.  Everyone should have a clear view of the long term impact of using herbs or hormones to feminize their bodies.  Viewing things through the pink fog is not a healthy way to modify your lifestyle much less your endocrine system.

This forum has done a wonderful job of spreading the word, with clarity mixed with a dose of pink fog.  I do wish it was around when i was in my 20's.  But many of us wish a lot of things were different shall i say it, 30 years ago. 

Christina

[jannet.duff]

Sorry not convinced stop start is counter productive

Slower often yields larger breasts

Who is the expert who wrote the paragraph 

Julie

Beverly Cosgrove - admin for facebook HRT forum. It is a closed group, of you would like to send me your Facebook information ( privately ) I will send you a request add to the group

[PaulaJ]

  If you want maximum male potency and maximum female appearance, you may want to do what the porn girls do, which is mostly surgery and cosmetic expertise.

I saw an non-porn interview with Bailey Jay awhile back where she claims most of her look is targeted liposuction.

I find this both interesting and scary. Liposuction in the belly area, with my gains from the PM, would pretty much give me the hourglass figure most of us want. The drawback is that, if I completely stop caring about my diet again, those belly fat cells are permanently gone, and fat will distribute to areas where neither men nor women normally have much fat.

I saw a woman in a grocery store once, who obviously did this. She had the most perfect torso and thighs...and ridiculously large forearms and shins, and a cart full of cakes and pastries, so it's pretty obvious what was going on...

[PuffyAya]

  If you want maximum male potency and maximum female appearance, you may want to do what the porn girls do, which is mostly surgery and cosmetic expertise.

I saw an non-porn interview with Bailey Jay awhile back where she claims most of her look is targeted liposuction.

I find this both interesting and scary. Liposuction in the belly area, with my gains from the PM, would pretty much give me the hourglass figure most of us want. The drawback is that, if I completely stop caring about my diet again, those belly fat cells are permanently gone, and fat will distribute to areas where neither men nor women normally have much fat.

I saw a woman in a grocery store once, who obviously did this. She had the most perfect torso and thighs...and ridiculously large forearms and shins, and a cart full of cakes and pastries, so it's pretty obvious what was going on...

What the... This happens?
I never knew, I always thought fat redistribution had no side effects other than YMMV and some ppl have all the grafted cells die anyway.

What's stopping that lady from liposuctioning those fat forelimbs and becoming perfect?

Edit: I thought you were talking about fat grafting. But if such a thing happens, fat grafting + lipo would equal holy grail wouldn't it?

[PaulaJ]

  If you want maximum male potency and maximum female appearance, you may want to do what the porn girls do, which is mostly surgery and cosmetic expertise.

I saw an non-porn interview with Bailey Jay awhile back where she claims most of her look is targeted liposuction.

I find this both interesting and scary. Liposuction in the belly area, with my gains from the PM, would pretty much give me the hourglass figure most of us want. The drawback is that, if I completely stop caring about my diet again, those belly fat cells are permanently gone, and fat will distribute to areas where neither men nor women normally have much fat.

I saw a woman in a grocery store once, who obviously did this. She had the most perfect torso and thighs...and ridiculously large forearms and shins, and a cart full of cakes and pastries, so it's pretty obvious what was going on...

What the... This happens?
I never knew, I always thought fat redistribution had no side effects other than YMMV and some ppl have all the grafted cells die anyway.

What's stopping that lady from liposuctioning those fat forelimbs and becoming perfect?

Edit: I thought you were talking about fat grafting. But if such a thing happens, fat grafting + lipo would equal holy grail wouldn't it?

The way I understand it, the adult body naturally never gains or loses fat cells. Gains and losses of fat by dieting and/or exercise are just the amount of fat those cells absorb. Even if you go full on cut like a bodybuilder or anorexic, the cells are still there. Liposuction actually removes the cells. How much the fat cells relatively pick up extra fat is subject to genetics and hormones. If the forelimbs are most of what is left, they will pick up the fat.

What's actually dangerous is that there are fat cells around the inner torso, and can't be hit by liposuction, if those are unusually enlarged they can cause serious health problems. In short, if that lady did have liposuction on her forearms and shins, and kept eating like she did, she'd probably die.

[PuffyAya]

  If you want maximum male potency and maximum female appearance, you may want to do what the porn girls do, which is mostly surgery and cosmetic expertise.

I saw an non-porn interview with Bailey Jay awhile back where she claims most of her look is targeted liposuction.

I find this both interesting and scary. Liposuction in the belly area, with my gains from the PM, would pretty much give me the hourglass figure most of us want. The drawback is that, if I completely stop caring about my diet again, those belly fat cells are permanently gone, and fat will distribute to areas where neither men nor women normally have much fat.

I saw a woman in a grocery store once, who obviously did this. She had the most perfect torso and thighs...and ridiculously large forearms and shins, and a cart full of cakes and pastries, so it's pretty obvious what was going on...

What the... This happens?
I never knew, I always thought fat redistribution had no side effects other than YMMV and some ppl have all the grafted cells die anyway.

What's stopping that lady from liposuctioning those fat forelimbs and becoming perfect?

Edit: I thought you were talking about fat grafting. But if such a thing happens, fat grafting + lipo would equal holy grail wouldn't it?

The way I understand it, the adult body naturally never gains or loses fat cells. Gains and losses of fat by dieting and/or exercise are just the amount of fat those cells absorb. Even if you go full on cut like a bodybuilder or anorexic, the cells are still there. Liposuction actually removes the cells. How much the fat cells relatively pick up extra fat is subject to genetics and hormones. If the forelimbs are most of what is left, they will pick up the fat.

What's actually dangerous is that there are fat cells around the inner torso, and can't be hit by liposuction, if those are unusually enlarged they can cause serious health problems. In short, if that lady did have liposuction on her forearms and shins, and kept eating like she did, she'd probably die.

Eek, I see... 
I was wondering about just that, what the difference between many large fat cells v.s. fewer but larger fat cells.

Btw, non-porn interview, I like that phrase

[spoked451]

Completely agree that even with NBE one must accept that the loss of "male" function is a genuine possibility. Odds being more likely that it will be gone than one retaining it.

Also agree on stop start not being a great idea, but I didn't know that it had an impact on the traits of both genders. Instead of stop I'd suggest slowing down. Even if one is committed to the end, the slow train will yield better overall results than trying to push the envelope.

As with most of the posts here, good information.