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ghost ovaries
#11
if I may, I`d like to present a hypothesis of my own, I know very little but I do a reasonably logical mind when I want to Wink 

it is Known that in utero that we are all females at one point, and that the influx of hormones differenttiates us to males (or not) by a 2 fold process of masculinization and defeminisation.
at which point the would be ovaries will decend and become testicals.
so basically the nerves involved will be similar even if the position or function isn`t.

has anyone ever been kicked in the nuts and gotten pain that isn`t actually in the offended area, but in the stomach or chest etc.. instead?
there were areas in each that with a small amount of pressure a pain would be felt somewhere else on my body, this is also quite normal as it`s evolved as a protection mechanism, large pain for small area = Must aviod damage to!

so, Could (this is the guesswork bit) this audio track be affecting the testicles and that pain being "transfered" to the area that ovaries are generally positioned?
for me, the big leap is the idea that audio anything can acually create a phsiological effect at all, but ignoring my reservations, Ovaries = testicles, therefore testicles are effected and the "pain" caued is felt (by random chance) in the same area that Tanya describes?

now don`t anyone shout at me, it`s just something that seemed to make sense when I though about it a little and not meant as any sort of Proof. xx
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#12
Good theory katie

And as for anyone saying hypnosis cannot work well ?...

I know people who have had major tooth surgery and had hypnosis to eliminate pain while undergoing the operation 

The mind is a very powerful mechanism it can also body chemistry dramatically 

Just because things are not proven yet scientifically does not mean it does not exist, after all the world was flat a few centuries ago ?

Julie
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#13
(13-02-2018, 08:57 AM)julieTG Wrote: And as for anyone saying hypnosis cannot work well ?...

I know people who have had major tooth surgery and had hypnosis to eliminate pain while undergoing the operation 

The mind is a very powerful mechanism it can also body chemistry dramatically 

Just because things are not proven yet scientifically does not mean it does not exist, after all the world was flat a few centuries ago ?

Julie


I have no problem beleiving that hypnosis works, I know it has a very powerful effect on the mind (I`v used it myself), but I don`t think it changes anything in an Objective reality or the morphology of a system, it has a purely subjective effect on reality, hence the dental thing, the Reality (Obj) is that the pain does reach the brain as would be expected, but it is interpreted as something else, perhaps even something pleasant perhaps, whatever.
someone can Think and truly beleive they are a chicken on a stage and start clucking, but the reality (Obj) is that they are a human on a stage behaving like a chicken, no one would argue that they ARE a real chicken (I hope?).

I see it like a computer, no software can physicaly alter the hardware it`s run on, or rearragne the mother board (or clean out dusty fans!) but the computer depending on what software is run can be many different things, you can tell it there`s no HDD, and it won`t show up in listings or Devices, but the reality (Obj) is that it`s still there.
and I think our brains are like that, we can Think "wow my tits are getting bigger daily!" (Subj) but in reality (Obj) they haven`t changed at all only our Perception has.

I`m not saying I`m right, this is just what I beleive to be the case. xx
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#14
well as said

and in previous posts

I have many time experienced phantom breasts and mine although not much simply started expanding by themselves without any herbs/e

it was pure thought power and desire,

x

Julie
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#15
I love a good theoretical discussion.
I believe that 'science' says males cant grow breasts more than a cup or two.
We all know thats BS too.
And then there is the 'science' that says massage dont work either... You guessed it more BS

So before I began NBE I got hooked on the bi-naurals and hypno's
Some of them I could feel the bass beating in my breasts.. no where else, just there.
I thought maybe it was just my wishful thinking, but everytime I got to that one I could feel my whole breast jumping to the bass.
Did it help? I dont know but the more fuel you throw on the fire, the longer and hotter it will burn.
Bobbi
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#16
For me.....  suggestion can make you feel more feminine and detour your mind from real pain for a while.  But to prove it to me, someone would have to be in a strictly controlled experiment including food and drink plus supplements and then actually measure the physical results.  Oh well..
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