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After reading and searching, I think I'd like to try a combination of magnet / message as I don't want to put a bunch of extra things into my body for the time being. Also, I like being able to donate blood and if I start playing with glandular or hormone therapy will prevent me from doing so.

I'll be fighting my body most of the way as I'm sure my hormones are out of whack in a roid rage type way though I have not taken anything to be so. It is possible it's stress related.

I'm thinking a program of magnets / message to start with but I'm not sure where to start. I don't mind using topicals. I see things like "Olive Oil" all over but no definition of if it's just olive oil or if it's some treated substance I need to prepare.

Any advice?

[Andy]

Ok, I am afraid I can't help you with magnets. I have done zero reading into that subject.
Olive oil is used as a carrier fluid and penetrator of the skin for herbs. Eucalyptus oil can be added to help in skin penetration. The idea is to penetrate the skin and directly "target" the recepters in the tissue. Fenugreek, fennel, and other herbs are usually soaked in the olive oil.
Massage itself aids in blood flow and distribution through the tissues.
I will be leaving you some links to this information on herbal massage oil and skin penetration. I won't say that you can't develop from massage alone. Your body may be sensitive to estrogenic compounds and will respond to herbal massage. Several of thel G girls here on this forum have had sucess with massage alone. (see link at bottome) The mental aspect of NBE cannot also be ignored. I would ,however, recommend taking some sort of anti-testoterone herb. Saw Palmetto extract has worked well for me in blocking the formation of DHT and cutting back on test. I have heard of men taking herbals without a blocker and getting some small results. The results were slow in coming and they did end up taking too much herbs to effect change. I don't see where taking SP would be a problem in giving blood, but it is not a subject I am versed on.

The main thing that I have read concerning massage alone is that you must be consistant in the aplication of the program. I am listing you several links to threads dealing with fenugreek ,internal and external, with massage. A thread on certain kinds of diets and massage. The next to the last link is to tigerlilys program page. She reported growth with just massage. Eating a certain foods in her diet and leaving out certain things. Mostly chicken feet. There are many paths to breast enlargment. You just keep searching until you find what works for you. The last link here is to a page to help explain tigerlilys massage program by cocolily

http://www.network54.com/Forum/371678/me...gh+alone--

http://www.network54.com/Forum/371678/me...this+work-

http://www.network54.com/Forum/371678/me...diet+alone

http://www.network54.com/Forum/482052/th...th+project

Cocolilys explanation of tigerlilys massage method
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=91
Here is the two pages I first mentioned on a herbal olive oil and skin penetration.
This page is by fennel fairy on skin structure and adsorbtion. Here is the link.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/547753/me...BE+massage-

This is a very useful page by Wahaika. It is about a herbal program for women, but it has useful info. on herbs and a recipe for a breast batter mix.

http://beboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Routines&action=display&thread=3029

I use a mix of steeped fenugreek and fennel seed. I take a recipe for tea and up the fennel content a little. I tsp and a half of fennel to a cup of water. Added into a mixed cream of Lubriderm, lavender essential Oil body lottion with Eucalyptus essential oil. Can't say how effective this is, and is not the cheepest way to go. Will probably change mix to a oil base like oilve oil or baby lotion next batch. Gotta soak the stuff in the oilve oil first. See link for more info. I would recomend doing a search through the forum to find even more info. But this information will give you the basic idea.

I hope you find this info useful.

Best wishes and happy journey

andy

BTW. Keep us informed on what you end up starting with and your progress. What works for one may not work for another. So we like to see what did work.

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Ok... So the oil and cream is just a skin penetrator? Does it keep certain aspects of herbs at the breast or just put them in the body? If just puts them in the body, would it be safe to use them with DMSO? http://www.horses-and-horse-information....dmso.shtml

To begin with, I'm using a standard Jergins body moisturizer and my cat for warmth lol. A light German style massage to be safe. Since my initial swell, I've felt a lot of tingling but not sure if it's growth or chill as it's fairly cold here but the feeling is just around my lower breasts.

Starting a 38-A. Will likely start using more herbs in the near future as I find local carriers of what I need. Starting SP in the morning (Promotes prostate health too)

BTW, men's measurements for bra size are way off for the actual bra sizes. According to tape, I should be a 48-DD as my cage w/ muscle is 48 and my "bust" difference is 5 inches... but my breast protrusion only fits an A cup and 38 band is more then comfortable. Any thoughts?

[Andy]

Ok, had to do some lookin around for some answers. I don't know abou the dmso. I found some links to articles on the net.
http://www.dmso.org/articles/information/muir.htm
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=5207&highlight=dmso
The second seams to be the better article.
While you want the best skin penetration possible. I would be concerned about possible side effects from it. I realize a lot of people use it worldwide with little to no side effects reported. The smell is a factor as well. plus the need for regular kidney and liver checkups while using it. Due to possible damage if you take too high of a level. Less is definitely more with any solvent. Here is a link to a thread here on this forum from a member using DSMO.
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=442&highlight=dmso
You might PM the member to see how things went. I would look at Dimethyl Isosorbide or an esential oil for penetration. Hazel uses it in her skin batter for stretch mark repair. http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=5151&highlight=eucalyptus+oil
DMI has been known to cause allergic reaction in the eyes. Howerver, It is widely used in the cosmetics industry. Unless you need the extra benefits of DSMO for pain and swelling relief. I would be careful in its use. Just not enough research out there on it.
Are you more familar with DSMO?
If you take it. Let us know of your results.

Andy

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I just have it on hand is all lol. My step-mom had a horse I wound up taking care of so I have a small stock of it on hand for regular treatment of him. He's not around anymore though. After a couple days of regular massage (3 times a day) with just a regular moisturizer, I have added minor chest weight (Just enough I can feel it) and the tissue is very much softer. Might just be anticipation but it seems my nipples are also more forward then outward now too. Hard to tell this early.

Think I'm going to skip the DMSO for now. When you mix it, you want a real thick paste (like the old PONDS eye salve) and apply it with just a light dab on the tip of your finger and apply it in the arm pit under the pectoral muscle. This gives you a concentration at the breast where you want it and allows deodorant / cologne to assist the cover of a mild smell (It's not as potent as the internet implies. Think dirty gym socks)

I know my hormones are out of whack cause I been pretty moody. Think it was made worse by stress of work (That I'm dun with in a week) then I get to go on working with kids.

Big recommendation to any male looking to re-figure and grow natural breasts:

Go to a local hospital known for delivery of children and volunteer with the newborns / premature birth patients. You may produce your own estrogen to kind of jump start your growth with a swelling of breast tissue and production of milk. US ARMY studies show 1 in 5 men display symptoms (or progress in our case) of pain and swelling in the breast among husbands of pregnant wives.

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After a week of taking Saw Plat, Pomegranate extract, Phyto-something for circulation(Don't have the bottle with me) and regular massage with a basic Jergans for skin renewal, I have increased sensitivity, increased sex drive, and approx 1/4cm more breast. Still an A but a more full A. Wife seems to enjoy playing with them more as well.

I hope to have pictures soon....