I would like to know if there are and males out there that have used it and if it worked
I haven't tried it personally. Though I ordered the Transfem/Bountiful Breast pills about a year and a half ago and that experience was a sheer nightmare...
I'm usually pretty cautious about online transactions, but at the time I was utterly miserable with my masculine appearance and the realization that I'd put feminization on hold for so many years (early 30's now) and wasn't getting any younger left me feeling desperate. So, I prepared a list of questions and tried to contact the company, Avalon, with no response. I foolishly decided to order anyway.
The next day I figured it wouldn't hurt to check a few forums to see if the product actually worked. To be honest, I found mixed results, but nothing positive. I found testimonials that seemed oddly similar to the advertisements on Avalon's site with pictures that illustrated either dubious breast growth, or growth that was obviously a result of a gain in overall body fat. Additionally, I found a few threads in which several users adamantly proclaimed that the product had no effect whatsoever.
Panicking that I just threw away $600, I emailed my list of questions to Avalon and called them while I waited for a response. In both instances, I was able to get in touch with them immediately, but in both responses, buried underneath the sales pitches was a clarification that contradicted the website's claims: The results were NOT permanent, neither for feminization nor for just breast growth. So naturally I decided to return the product once it arrived (as it was too late to cancel the order).
This proved to be more challenging than I could have possibly imagined (depression about the whole fiasko not helping). I sent an email asking for a refund. A few days later later they said 'sure', just as long as the bottles were unopened when I returned them, which they were. So I sent them back.
That was the easy part. Over the next couple months I patiently waited, but heard nothing. Finally I went and tried to call them but encountered a nice variety of reasons that my issue should be avoided, the most common of which being that the recipients were only a call center and could only contact Avalon by leaving messages. Eventually I got excuses such as the lady handling returns was on maternal leave (really, the entire department then?) and her replacement had no contact information. I also encountered other classic ones as well, including indefinite holds, call transfers that disconnect, and given alternate numbers that don't exist. So I tried emailing them--unsuccessfully with every email address on the site. They kept getting bounced back due to some technical error. I tried the forum on the site only to find that didn't actually exist. I tried the Live Chat feature only to find that that didn't function.
Every few weeks I tried again, increasingly aware that I'd been scammed yet still wanting to give them the benefit of the doubt. Finally after 6 months I decided to give up and reported them to the Better Business Bureau for Utah. I thought that would do something but apparantly no one ever visits that site to read about good/bad reports, so that was a waste of time, lol. Lastly I went to my credit card company only to find that I was just outside the 6 month window of fraud protection.
Moral of the story:
Maybe Transfemme works, maybe not. But if it did, wouldn't they be more honest about how they do business?
I'm usually pretty cautious about online transactions, but at the time I was utterly miserable with my masculine appearance and the realization that I'd put feminization on hold for so many years (early 30's now) and wasn't getting any younger left me feeling desperate. So, I prepared a list of questions and tried to contact the company, Avalon, with no response. I foolishly decided to order anyway.
The next day I figured it wouldn't hurt to check a few forums to see if the product actually worked. To be honest, I found mixed results, but nothing positive. I found testimonials that seemed oddly similar to the advertisements on Avalon's site with pictures that illustrated either dubious breast growth, or growth that was obviously a result of a gain in overall body fat. Additionally, I found a few threads in which several users adamantly proclaimed that the product had no effect whatsoever.
Panicking that I just threw away $600, I emailed my list of questions to Avalon and called them while I waited for a response. In both instances, I was able to get in touch with them immediately, but in both responses, buried underneath the sales pitches was a clarification that contradicted the website's claims: The results were NOT permanent, neither for feminization nor for just breast growth. So naturally I decided to return the product once it arrived (as it was too late to cancel the order).
This proved to be more challenging than I could have possibly imagined (depression about the whole fiasko not helping). I sent an email asking for a refund. A few days later later they said 'sure', just as long as the bottles were unopened when I returned them, which they were. So I sent them back.
That was the easy part. Over the next couple months I patiently waited, but heard nothing. Finally I went and tried to call them but encountered a nice variety of reasons that my issue should be avoided, the most common of which being that the recipients were only a call center and could only contact Avalon by leaving messages. Eventually I got excuses such as the lady handling returns was on maternal leave (really, the entire department then?) and her replacement had no contact information. I also encountered other classic ones as well, including indefinite holds, call transfers that disconnect, and given alternate numbers that don't exist. So I tried emailing them--unsuccessfully with every email address on the site. They kept getting bounced back due to some technical error. I tried the forum on the site only to find that didn't actually exist. I tried the Live Chat feature only to find that that didn't function.
Every few weeks I tried again, increasingly aware that I'd been scammed yet still wanting to give them the benefit of the doubt. Finally after 6 months I decided to give up and reported them to the Better Business Bureau for Utah. I thought that would do something but apparantly no one ever visits that site to read about good/bad reports, so that was a waste of time, lol. Lastly I went to my credit card company only to find that I was just outside the 6 month window of fraud protection.
Moral of the story:
Maybe Transfemme works, maybe not. But if it did, wouldn't they be more honest about how they do business?
Hi lingering dawn,
I was reading what you went thru and Im so sorry you had such a tuff time. It does sound like you got the run a around. It just seems like all of the females here that have delt with them have had nothing bad to say about them. I was wondering what you are going to try next in your quest. Im still in the phase of what to do myself. I have been trying the herbs and using Noogle Berry system for now. I know Cheryl1989 has had great results with BB/same as transsfemme. She is also a male and is I guess what the best of us could wish for. I would read as much of what she has put on the form and maybe it will help.
Good Luck,
Jim
I was reading what you went thru and Im so sorry you had such a tuff time. It does sound like you got the run a around. It just seems like all of the females here that have delt with them have had nothing bad to say about them. I was wondering what you are going to try next in your quest. Im still in the phase of what to do myself. I have been trying the herbs and using Noogle Berry system for now. I know Cheryl1989 has had great results with BB/same as transsfemme. She is also a male and is I guess what the best of us could wish for. I would read as much of what she has put on the form and maybe it will help.
Good Luck,
Jim
Thank you for your kind words. As far as what I'm going to do next, I think I'm going to take a different approach. For the last 10 years I've let a neverending series of disapointments about the contrast between my body and gender develop into life-crippling depression that's destabilized the rest of my life. Rather than focusing on my physical deficiencies, I'm going to resurrect my life and then use that as a springboard to pursue HRT and possibly SRS. In the meantime, I'm going to continue the Flat2Fem (Flat2Fab)program to get a head start on BE (or in the very least curtail the deformation of my body from testosterone) and electrolysis.
Personally I think that age-old bit of wisdom we're reminded of countless times rings true: True beauty comes from within. Without having hope, confidence and faith, its nearly impossible to recognize or even succeed at the good BE programs out there--nor is possible to happy after completing them. I suppose that's why plastic surgeons stay in business, lol.
Anyways, sorry for preaching. I wish the best of luck to you as well!
Personally I think that age-old bit of wisdom we're reminded of countless times rings true: True beauty comes from within. Without having hope, confidence and faith, its nearly impossible to recognize or even succeed at the good BE programs out there--nor is possible to happy after completing them. I suppose that's why plastic surgeons stay in business, lol.
Anyways, sorry for preaching. I wish the best of luck to you as well!
Hi lingering Dawn, i am so sorry to hear that you have had such a hard time, i myself have had no problems with Bountifull breast atall and am very happy with them but i cannot honestly say how much development i have gained with BB as i have a hormone condition also and this has aided my development massively, and i also use a noogleberry which has helped me alot and i fully recomend. But i never thought i was transgender, i only ever wanted small breasts when i began my NBE and i was happy, i just felt my body was missing breasts lol, i had no idea 12 months later i would be living as a woman and being even happier than i was. I am seeing a gender specialist now and i think that would benifit you also. Please dont give up, we all deserve to be happy with ourselves and our bodys and i know with time you will find the happyness you deserve. Good luck hun xxxx
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