[guy_and_lingerie]

Sorry to read about all of your problems!

I think you are going through a lot of confusion and need to step back and decide what you really want. I assume we all have gone through several bouts of being unable to decide - but we always go back to growing our breasts.

It is the old case of "be careful what you ask for".

You say that you are masculine and don't want obvious breasts, but you still return to growing them. Anything you do will have lasting effects, and there is no way to predict them. Once the breasts have grown, there is no going back. Returning to the gym will strengthen your chest muscles but will not change your breast size. Only surgery will do that.

Also, PM is a very strong supplement that acts the same as estrogen and is nothing to fool around with. It is not like taking other milder herbs like fenugreeek.  As I recall, the starting dose is only 500 mg/day for a few weeks and you are jumping to far larger doses. You will get the other feminine effects of fat distribution, shrinking genitals, ED, lower libido and lots of other stuff.

This also makes a good point about having a doctor on board if you want to grow breasts, especially if you are going to use anything as serious as PM or estrogen.  You should have regular liver tests while on these things. Also, you can save yourself the embarrassment of having to go to the doctor when something goes wrong - and you can have all sorts of other things besides large breasts!

My own story is that I was at one time going to try PM. I ordered it and started on the introduction dose. After a couple of weeks and reading some horror stories of people overdosing on it, I decided to just screw my courage in place and ask my doctor for estrogen to grow breasts. I am very glad that I did! He gave me estrodiol and has monitored my breast growth.

If you want to try breast growth, going at it slowly and giving yourself time to get used to the idea and changes is best.  I would suggest fenugreek (2 610g capsules 3 times a day) along with a supplement to cut down on DHT.  Most people can tolerate fenugreek and it has little side effects. I used it for over a year and a half and got great results As an added bonus, I think it increased my libido! My doctor even gave it a thumbs up as safer!

Be sure to take your time and do your research.  Good luck on your journey!


Joey

Hi

sorry I don't want to hijack this thread; but your recommendation re liver tests and PM: is it specifically meant for someone who is taking large doses
only

of PM, or do you also recommend liver tests for low dosages? 

I am not a medical expert on all of this, but since liver testing is recommended for guys on even a small dose of estrogen, I would assume that would hold true for small doses of PM as well.

[pear]

Sorry to read about all of your problems!

I think you are going through a lot of confusion and need to step back and decide what you really want. I assume we all have gone through several bouts of being unable to decide - but we always go back to growing our breasts.

It is the old case of "be careful what you ask for".

You say that you are masculine and don't want obvious breasts, but you still return to growing them. Anything you do will have lasting effects, and there is no way to predict them. Once the breasts have grown, there is no going back. Returning to the gym will strengthen your chest muscles but will not change your breast size. Only surgery will do that.

Also, PM is a very strong supplement that acts the same as estrogen and is nothing to fool around with. It is not like taking other milder herbs like fenugreeek.  As I recall, the starting dose is only 500 mg/day for a few weeks and you are jumping to far larger doses. You will get the other feminine effects of fat distribution, shrinking genitals, ED, lower libido and lots of other stuff.

This also makes a good point about having a doctor on board if you want to grow breasts, especially if you are going to use anything as serious as PM or estrogen.  You should have regular liver tests while on these things. Also, you can save yourself the embarrassment of having to go to the doctor when something goes wrong - and you can have all sorts of other things besides large breasts!

My own story is that I was at one time going to try PM. I ordered it and started on the introduction dose. After a couple of weeks and reading some horror stories of people overdosing on it, I decided to just screw my courage in place and ask my doctor for estrogen to grow breasts. I am very glad that I did! He gave me estrodiol and has monitored my breast growth.

If you want to try breast growth, going at it slowly and giving yourself time to get used to the idea and changes is best.  I would suggest fenugreek (2 610g capsules 3 times a day) along with a supplement to cut down on DHT.  Most people can tolerate fenugreek and it has little side effects. I used it for over a year and a half and got great results As an added bonus, I think it increased my libido! My doctor even gave it a thumbs up as safer!

Be sure to take your time and do your research.  Good luck on your journey!


Joey

Hi

sorry I don't want to hijack this thread; but your recommendation re liver tests and PM: is it specifically meant for someone who is taking large doses
only

of PM, or do you also recommend liver tests for low dosages? 

I am not a medical expert on all of this, but since liver testing is recommended for guys on even a small dose of estrogen, I would assume that would hold true for small doses of PM as well.

Thanks