[Menina]

Menina,

I think many people on here will tell you that the more you feminize, the more feminine you want to be.  It's like an addiction.
You said, "The magic can go away . . ."  It hasn't for me!

 

-Graceful Curves

Yes, you are right! The same happens to me about my appearence. I don't know about you guys, but to me it means to be alone. It is hard to me the traditional way of portuguese people. I suffered a lot after I decided to wear feminine clothes. But I don't regret. I think that I'm going through the right way. My photo attached is the way that I was as result of 10 years of gym. Nothing more, no pils, no caps, no hormones... only gym. Now I'm trying herbs and bioidentical hormones because I'm tired of gym. I consider myself a trans woman because I not only like to dress in feminine clothes, but I also like to feel like a woman. "Being a woman" was achieved over the years, through changes in my way of being. However, my masculine way takes over when I am around my oldest daughter who lives in another country. It was surprising when she came to visit me, I became a man again, I don't mean in clothes, but in my behavior. She didn't like it at all, but it's something automatic, I can't avoid it.

You have a beautiful body and your hair looks good on you too! See you... Kisses!

   

[CM213]

Looking amazing. Great results from diet and exercise building your body the way you can in the gym.

[Benizake]

Hi,

Throughout this post i will share what I’ve learned so far as well as my current results after 8 months on BO.

Hi, 

I was reading your experience and thinking how to do my own. I always loved to be a girl, but never used hormones because it is forbiden in Portugal without doctor prescription... when I see my feminine body shaped by gym and some foods, It gives me an excitement that makes me continue that way... almost three years ago I asked my doctor to begin hormonal therapy, but in Portugal it is not easy... I am waiting yet... I already did a lot of exams and meeting with doctors, all of that to buy two drugs on the pharmacy. While I'm waiting, decided try by my way... but I begin to think... That is everything I need. For long time I was searching a way to feminize my body... but after reading some post here, emerged an interesting thing in my mind. Maybe when the transiction begin, my mind will change in such a way that I can lose all that fascination that I have about the feminine, the other way to see the things can make me see the feminine as a normal thing, not like I see now, I mean, all the magic can go away... Like when you wash a beautiful colorfull dress and it lose its color... I will be a perfect girl, but the thing that makes me see a girl as an amazing thing, will be gone... because I will be thinking exactly like a girl, who does not feel anything when see another girl or her own body on the mirror.

Greetings, Menina

It’s always good to answer some questions. So let’s get right to it.

First of all, you have to ask yourself: “Why am I feminizing myself”? Just like with everything, it has to serve a purpose. Like how my water bottle makes me able to drink water wherever i want, or how my shoes make me able to traverse many different terrains. They facilitate. You have those things for no other reason but to make things easier. And let me as you this. Do you dislike shoes and water bottles? Cause i sure don’t. Because even if those items cost money, it was worth it. Right?
The same goes for my feminization. It facilitates my feminine way of living. Becoming feminine and reaching my dream physique might feel amazing and all, but thats only one piece of the pie. I for example, want to be more feminine in both body and soul. Because doing feminine things with both would be much more enjoyable than with one. Not to mention walking around the beauty or clothing store. Instead of seeing a big, hairless chimpanzee looking for its next victim, they now see a beautiful middle aged woman shopping for lipsticks or bras instead. That sounds pretty convenient and enjoyable, doesn’t it? The whole feminization thing is just putting in hard work to build a tool. Or more like acquiring a new toolbox. Acquiring it was fun and all, but i’d much rather put it to use. And put it to good use i will. As simple as that.

But lets put away all the good things about feminization for a moment, and lets think about the negative. Because i think you might be struggling with your masculine and feminine side. Correct me if I’m wrong, but do you know what becoming feminine entails? Will you have any regrets when you leave behind your masculinity?I, for example, don’t think ill ever have children. But I’m still storing sperm in a sperm bank just in case. And just like that, my fear of losing my cock and balls is gone. Contrary to many others, I can say with 100% certainty that i’m ready for the best, but prepared for the worst. The question is, are you?

But I might be completely wrong. Maybe you just have a transformation fetish or something. Who knows.

Hope this helps at least a little bit

Thank you very much for taking the time to answer this question. However, the questions you have are quite complex and more difficult to answer than they seem. I have worn women's clothing since I was a child, and until I reached adulthood, I always hid it from my family because it was unacceptable in a Christian home. To free myself from this situation, which I thought was a curse, I got married, because I thought that if I had an active sex life, it would disappear. The marriage lasted ten years, during which I always wore my ex-wife's clothes when she was not around. After the divorce and with children, I decided to start a new life. I had girlfriends with whom I enjoyed being a man, until I decided to change completely and wear women's clothing in my daily life. It was gradual, about three years until I got to where I am today, completely assumed as a woman, I only wear dresses, I wear a bra with padding, I invested in the gym to shape my feminine body and also in herbs. This current state has lasted about a year. I even changed my social name. I decided to undergo bioidentical hormone therapy (I would like to know if I should use it every day or take a week off to imitate women's periods. If you could clarify this for me, I would be very grateful). 

Today I can see some very feminine curves in my body. Sometimes I run my hand over my butt and feel pleasure, so I think: Is the pleasure coming from touching a female body or from feeling a male hand on me? I honestly don't know the answer. I am bisexual and I have a lot of difficulty understanding myself. When I am as a woman I like to be treated as a woman, the other side the same (I praticaly abandoned my masculine side socialy, but I like to be with girls some times in Virtual Reality, also with men. The realism is amazing) I only fear one thing: Losing the sexual pleasure I get from touching myself. I don't know if this pleasure comes from my masculine side or my feminine side. But if I become a woman physically and mentally, maybe I will no longer find it fun to touch a female butt like mine. In other words, maybe the pleasure I get from being a woman comes from my masculine side, from having a female body at my disposal 24/7... or not! Maybe the time brings the answer... at the moment everything is fine.

Hi again,

Its good to hear you’re doing fine.

Now when it comes to the questions asked in the previous post, id highly recommend forming your own answers. Although they are hard to answer, I believe they are necessary to answer. Changing your gender is not any easy task, so knowing where you want to go can be extremely helpful. Maybe even just make a pros and cons list, if you haven’t already. To see if your current direction is truly beneficial or not. Because a decision made with absolute certainty leaves no room for regret.

Over to bioidentical hormone therapy. I Don’t think you need to do anything fancy to mimic a menstrual cycle. You’re supposed to have a similar experience when you have been on feminizing medications for a longer period of time. Symptoms also vary a lot from person to person. Both in intensity and type. So if you anything similar to what’s listed below, you might have already been on a cycle.

Cramping in the intestine and abdominal muscles, ranging from a slight flutter in the gut to strong painful spasms.
Bloating and water retention
Gas, diarrhea and other intestinal issues.
Emotional instability, mood swings and irrational thoughts
Heightened depression and dysmorphia
Depersonalization or dissociation.
Increased dysphoria
Irritability (PMS)
Muscle and joint aches and pains
Breast engorgement and nipple tenderness
Acne
Fatigue
Appetite changes and spontaneous cravings (see: chocolate cravings)
Spontaneous shifts in libido
Changes in genital odor

Lastly, you seem to harbor a lot of doubt. So voice them all out if you feel like it. Ask any questions you want. And ill be happy to answer them. Remember, no questions equals no answers. Getting opinions from others always helps to solidify your stance on any matter.
So you said you were afraid of losing the sexual pleasure of touching yourself, right? I just have to ask how? How in the nuclear radiation did you come up with that conclusion? You know, women and men are all sexually stimulated through physical contact. So if you suddenly lost all sexual pleasure from it, id say you should take a thorough examination at the doctors office.
And this might just be my weird ass opinion, but how can you even think that you’ll stop liking touching other people’s ass. I love it all! Ill be horny as can be with any sexy man or woman. As long as they have a big ass, they are too hard to just pass. Doesn’t matter if i have the biggest, juiciest ass there is. I can always appreciate a nice peachy bosom.

[Menina]

Thank you for your response and for offering support in my quest to understand myself. I have a trans friend who has been on hormone therapy for two years. According to her, she hasn't felt any sexual desire for a year, zero. According to her, she feels like she's a robot, she could be the hottest person to take off their clothes around her and nothing happens. This is due to testosterone blocking. Cis women have some testosterone in their bodies, but trans women who undergo chemical hormone therapy have all testosterone blocked.

I know that each body reacts differently, but my doctor has already told me that if I start therapy I will also lose my sexual desire and no longer have orgasms, because to have orgasms I would need an erection, and the blocker makes me lose my erection, it also reduces sexual appetite to almost zero. But since I'm making herbs in capsules and skin creams with bio-identical hormones, maybe it's different. 

It's been a few days since I started using herbs and hormone cream. It's not even a month old. But I already notice changes. It may seem fast, but I really dove in. In addition to progesterone and estrogen cream, I take about ten different types of herbs, all with proven benefits, whether in blocking testosterone, increasing aromatase, phytoestrogens, developing nipples, etc. In a few days I gained 5 kg, which is good for producing estrogen in fat. My skin feels smoother, my nipples feel more sensitive, my breasts are visibly bigger, I have more gas, sometimes I start to want to cry for no reason, other times it feels like my happiness is overflowing. I went many days without masturbating, which is not common, but today I went to masturbate, it was something very different, First I tried to feel attracted to some women but it was boring so I gave up on VR and started simply thinking about a man touching me, hugging me, etc... this was so intense that I got goose bumps just thinking about it... after moments of intense pleasure I had an incredibly feminine orgasm.

I can't make a list of pros and cons, that just confuses my head even more. I think it's better to let it flow and surrender little by little, as I have been doing. As long as I think it's good, I'll keep going... it's been working like this for a few years now. Sometimes I just worry about weight gain, if this continues I don't know what I will do to change it, since I won't know which of the 12 herbs is causing it... I can also go to my doctor and ask for an analysis of hormone levels, But he'll be mad at me if he finds out I'm doing this instead of waiting to get my chemicals... The fact that I've gained weight has given me a very feminine butt, it already was, but I think it's become more so.

Sorry for so many words, today I got carried away.

[Menina]

Looking amazing. Great results from diet and exercise building your body the way you can in the gym.

Thank you! It's not ease, as I said, a lot of years training. Without interruption was 13 years. Three meal a day, no beef, no alcohol, no smoke, no sodas, no carbs at dinner, fruits every breakfast with granola. Drink: only water. Gym: whey protein, dextrose and creatine. "everything is possible for those who believe." This is my motto.

[Graceful Curves]

Responding to Menina:

You wrote:

". . . but my doctor has already told me that if I start therapy I will also lose my sexual desire and no longer have orgasms, because to have orgasms I would need an erection, and the blocker makes me lose my erection, it also reduces sexual appetite to almost zero."

That's why I'm sticking with natural herbs and supplements, and not artificial HRT.  I am very horny now and I don't want to lose my libido.

"Sometimes I run my hand over my butt and feel pleasure, so I think: Is the pleasure coming from touching a female body or from feeling a male hand on me?"  " . . . maybe the pleasure I get from being a woman comes from my masculine side, from having a female body at my disposal 24/7"

"but today I went to masturbate, it was something very different, First I tried to feel attracted to some women but it was boring so I gave up on VR and started simply thinking about a man touching me, hugging me, etc... this was so intense that I got goose bumps just thinking about it... after moments of intense pleasure I had an incredibly feminine orgasm."

Yes, I have gone through a similar change.  I want to show you something:

   

This photo of me shows the paradox of my dual nature:  A man's arm embraces the body of a woman, post-orgasm.  The woman is fulfilled, satisfied, and content.  I have very feminine, sexy legs like a starlet.  After I have one of my intense female orgasms, I have a strong urge to cuddle.  I will lie in bed cuddling like this for about an hour, bathing in the afterglow of my sexual experience.  (It takes me about that long to recover--sometimes I fall asleep, cuddling my pillow, fantasizing about my man loving and embracing me).

           

"until I decided to change completely and wear women's clothing in my daily life."  Do you like my pink flamingo panties?  Ninja (who comments on here) suggested them for me.  I think they would look really sexy on your big feminine butt.  What do you think? 

-Graceful

   

[Menina]

I like to feel feminine, not necessarily sensual. I usually wear ordinary clothes, without attracting too much attention. This dress I'm wearing in the photo, for example, I've never worn publicly, because I consider it very sensual. I usually wear regular panties, without many props. 

It's nice to imagine someone with us during intimate moments of pleasure, especially when we don't have someone in person. I think many cis women also have this type of need. As much as feminism tries to impose that women do not depend on men for anything, normal women need affection and care.

[datass]

Hi,

Throughout this post i will share what I’ve learned so far as well as my current results after 8 months on BO.

For those who don’t know me, I am a skinny “health guru” in my late twenties. I’m trying to feminize myself with the help of BO and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. I love exercising, sleeping and eating healthy foods. While i do have an unusual lifestyle, i hope that you readers take some time to explore some of my lifestyle choices on a deeper level in your free times, as these can be some big eye openers to better general health. And since i am sort of a health freak, take into account that everything I’ve learned so far is what works for me. My lifestyle is a clear outlier compared to most, so take what you read with a grain of salt. If you want to know more about me you can send me a private message or fill up my thread at introduce yourself. Now lets go over to the baseline.

THE BASELINE
Before going into the progress I’ve made, let’s take a look at my beginning lifestyle and starting regiment.

Sleep: Ive always been trying to keep up a solid sleep schedule. Generally trying not to stay awake after midnight, and getting at least 8 hours of sleep every day. Additionally, grounding has been a huge help in improving my sleep quality. While I won’t go into much detail here, grounding is essentially optimizing/ neutralizing the electrical charge in your body. One thing to take note of is that grounding has improved my ability to absorb nutrients and fluids. So if you want to sleep a bit better and literally shit bricks, then check out
https://www.groundology.co.uk/ and see if this might be something for you.

Exercise: The routine consists exercising 2 hours every other day, swapping between pushing and pulling, together with legs. I.e. Legs, Rest day, Push, Rest day, Pull, Rest day. Continuing this pattern(until changes were needed).

Food: The rules are simple. Nothing that disrupts your bodily functions: Alcohol, smoking, and drugs. No seed oils of any kind/ easily oxidized oils, and no sugar. Other than that, all goes. I also don’t drink any coffee. Since i believe that a healthy body shouldn’t need extra caffeine to function optimally no matter the age.

When starting on BO, I used this guide from mustgrowbust as a baseline for my regiment, and throughout my journey made changes accordingly. http://mustgrowbust.com/wp-content/uploa...UIDE-C.pdf

This gives us a starting point of:
1 cap (10mg) BIOPERINE
1 cap (80mg) Pituary Glandular
3 caps (750mg) Ovarian Glandular
1 cup (2dl and 10g) Green tea
Two times a day - in the morning and evening




WHAT I’VE LEARNED
- One of the best tips i could give anyone here on BN is to never stop experimenting! No one has the same body and lifestyle. Only by finding out what works best for you, will you see the fruits of your labor. Don’t copy what you see. Take inspiration from it.

- Another significant game changer is temperature. I have noticed a huge difference since i started on BO in the winter. I used to wear a t-shirt no matter the season. Even if it got lower than -20 degrees Celsius. Because why the hell would my outer temperature even matter? It’s fine a long as my core temperature stays high enough, right?
This did of course not work out very well for my breast development, but the contrast was eye opening. I bought some bras as soon as I learned my lesson, and have been wearing them for the past 7 months. Don’t just keep the core temperature up, but also make sure your breasts stay hot enough too.

-Exercises might be helpful to many, but was apparently detrimental to my development. While i do strongly recommend everyone to exercise no matter what, skinny + gym +BO = no results. At least in my case. Since the production of testosterone is increased after exercise, and aromatase is achieved by having a plethora of fat cells. From month 5 through 7, i tried to exercise every day instead of every other day. As one can imagine, it truly felt like my progress was hitting a plateau. I felt more like a man that happened to have more estrogen than normal, instead of someone more feminine. Only at month 8 did i truly start to feel like i was feminine, and that my breasts were growing. While I’ll definitely go back to the gym when I gain some fat, id recommend being a bit less proactive if you are one of the skinny guys.

- Listen to your body, and don’t be afraid to add/ remove foods or supplements from your diet. As stated before, experimenting is key! Don’t be afraid to try different foods. I for example, found out that my body craves collagen. It may sound obvious, but i did not feel any urge to consume more collagen until started making bone broths regularly. Every day without bone broth feels like another day of no progress. So see for yourself, you might be surprised to see what your body craves.

- Having the right mindset. I can’t really say much for the other NBEs, but as BO delivers the whole feminization package, mindset might play a bigger role than we think. Although this is more of a matter of interpretation, and not really based on logic, wanting and feeling might change a lot. Other than physical changes and lifestyle changes, spiritual changes isn’t something people should neglect. At the start of my journey i wanted to be more feminine. But why only in appearance? I never really thought much about the mindset. While ones outlook might change naturally over time, i think fighting a war until one side winds won’t do much to facilitate any feminization for that matter. Since I’ve never heard of someone being feminine without feeling feminine, it might just be better to start feeling feminine sooner, rather than later.

RESULTS
Although the results are rather plain, keep in mind that the experience gained will likely contribute to exponential growth later on (hopefully).

Sleep: Never had a bad day of sleep, Upgraded grounding kit to stay grounded even while at work.

Exercise: Since my fat percentage i still low, my only form of exercise is 2 squats and pushups every time i enter the kitchen. (Works like a charm if you are just starting out with exercise).

Food: Tried some candy and fries while on vacation; this is why I don’t eat trash.

The regiment has changed a bit, but remains close to the baseline, with some extra additions.
1 cap (10mg) BIOPERINE
1 cap (80mg) Pituary Glandular
3 caps (750mg) Ovarian Glandular
1 cup (2dl and 10g) Green tea
1 cap  (150mg ovarian, 150mg uterus, 50mg heart, 50mg kidney, 50mg liver) Multi Glandular for Women
Two times a day - in the morning and evening

Since I’ve long been a huge milk fan, adding lingzhi (reishi) mushroom to the mix have been great at giving that little increase in adaptogens, while also making the milk taste a bit more chocolatey (or not). I have also started taking a teaspoon of coconut oil in the morning. While i do feel the changes in the body more than before, I don’t think licking a jar of coconut oil will help you grow big breasts faster. But who knows. It’s at least a healthy oil, so feel free to take a spoonful every once in a while.

And now, as you all have been waiting for, here are the results so far:

[insert desert here]

Though id like to say that i made some incredible progress during my 8 months on BO, this is not one of those cases. I do admit that there are some changes, and that i have felt the progress. But thinking that i can grow boobs as big as a woman’s in 8 months, while they can easily take up to 5 years for women is absolutely absurd. And since a did a lot of exercise in the gym, my gains there might be misinterpreted as progress on BO.So be aware, don’t blindly believe everything written down below.
Since i was rather well built before i stopped going to the gym, i can say for certain that my skin feels a lot more loose on my body (losing 7kg of muscle in a month is no joke). This might be a big contributor as to why my breasts feel “bigger”, than before. While my chest area felt like there was nothing before i started BO, it now feels like a construction crew just moved in and started building the foundation. I can now say with 100% certainty that BO have had a positive effect on my breasts development. I can clearly feel a bunch of lobules growing around my nipples, and they have been growing at a steady pace. Together with my looser skin, it really feels like they’re getting bigger. At the topic of skin, I believe my skin became super smooth even during my first month of BO. Im not a very touchy person, but once the skin starts feeling that soft, there’s no going back. The only two problems I’ve had with my skin so far is that i started bleeding after hitting a boxing bag with my elbow. I even tried it with the other one too. It’s almost a bit scary to think that someone who regularly hits boxing bags with their elbow suddenly starts bleeding from them both. So that was the last time i used my elbows on any boxing bag. The other one is that I’m now used to having soft skin, so I won’t enjoy touching myself as much. Another place that has seen significant development is my butt. While i cant say for certain, since i doubled my amount of leg exercises, i can confirm that my bosom is currently the biggest it’s ever been.
My upper body is also a lot thinner than before, but thats most likely from not exercising for a month.





Let me know if i should post every 8 month update here or make a new thread when the time comes

Thanks for posting the PDF file. I feel like I know what I'm doing now.