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Davi lee, help with info. about dong quai
October 8 2007 at 6:48 PM Ann5 (Login Ann5)
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Hi Davi Lee,
I would much appreciate your help with understanding if dong quai is a photoestrogen or not. I've searched online and have gotten mixed findings. Some say it is a very weak photoestrogen and others say it is not at all one. The ones that say it isn't estrogenic state that dong quai is more like ginseng for females. Do you have any dependable sources regarding this herb, or just know if it isn't estrogenic or not.
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Davilee
(Login Davi-lee) Sorry I havent responded sooner Ann5 October 12 2007, 6:31 PM
Hiya,hiya.....
I've been trying to keep up with all my peeps on all the forums.
I'm helping compile data for others also,related to immune sysytem and such.
Okay....Its chemical profile shows that it has a lot of phytoestrogenic compounds....its quite complex.
My one index shows that it strengthens and tones the reproductive system.
Assists the body in using hormones.
Used to treat female hormone imbalances,causing effects such as hot flashes,other menopausal symptoms,PMS,and vaginal dryness.
My Ayurvedic book says that it regulates menstruation and treats dysmenorrhea,painful or difficult menst. and amenorrhea,absence or suppression of menst..
It is a general blood tonifier and blood circulation promoter.
It is cautioned not to use during pregnancy,Soooo,Id say that it has hormone balancing effects.
**And its general action sounds like it promotes or raises progesterone levels or lowers estrogen levels,,since too little progesterone has those negative effects during menses or the menopausal problems.
It may effect both levels of E & P hormone.
My instinct about it is that it isnt good for feminisation purposes.
BUT it would be good for females to take.
Ann5
(Login Ann5)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Davi lee, help with info. about dong quai October 12 2007, 11:28 PM
Hmm,ok. That's pretty good info. I think I might just take it. But would you recommend I stay off of dong quai if I start using BO? I appreciate your help.
Davilee
(Login Davi-lee) Re: Davi lee, help with info. about dong quai October 14 2007, 10:13 PM
oooh..huhmmm....I was trying to decide what to say about that.
gee Ann5,..im not sure frankly. Both of them can have strong effects.
If the DongQuai works how I think it works,it may just try and lower the estrogens from the BO. OR it may help you utilize estrogens better if your body needs higher levels. Some info. says that estrogen balancers like Flax and Alfalfa,somehow recognise the difference in phytoest's and bioest's.
Flax I read actually reduces estradiol levels,and affects any herbal compounds that mimic estradiol. So,Ive stopped taking that.
Tribulus terrestris,is supposed to be a good hormone promoter/stimulator for both sexes.It raises the sex drive also.
Ann5,what are you trying to accomplish exactly?If I had an idea what you wanted to affect then I could have a better idea of what to suggest.
If you dont want to talk about it in public,then you can always send me a message to my email.
If you want to take a stimulator along with BO,then you may want to take EveningPrimrose oil,its actions in the body is as an estrogen promoter.
However,Im not sure if that means estrogen booster or an estrogen regulator.
My feeling looking at the chemical profile,is that it boosts estrogen.Its high in Beta-sitosterol and several other strong P-est compounds.
I havent read anybodys account of what this combo will do.
Ann5
(Login Ann5)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Davi lee, help with info. about dong quai October 15 2007, 7:05 AM
Thanks Davi Lee.
Well never mind about taking it with BO. I've decided to go back to taking herbs. I was mainly thinking of using dong quai because some women have had a good reponse to increase their libido with it. That's my reason for taking it. But I wasn't sure if it'd be ok to take along with the BO since it's not good to take any estrogen along with it. Also since you stated and I've read that it's just an overall good supplement for women's issues I want to give it a try.
Davilee
(Login Davi-lee) Re: Davi lee, help with info. about dong quai October 16 2007, 5:50 AM
I think I made a list over on the other forum about libido enhancers.
Oh,were you the one who asked about that over there?
It seems to be kinda complex as to how the hormones interact and cause sexual desire to rise.
I say that because,looking at the herbs that cause that,they are all usually hormone regulators and balancers.
Ann5
(Login Ann5)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Davi lee, help with info. about dong quai October 16 2007, 7:20 PM
Yup, that was me.
Bob-Dreamer
(Login Boob-Dreamer)
SENIOR MEMBER Libido October 16 2007, 7:47 PM
An update on anything which increases male libido would be very helpful. Between age and the anti-androgens (SP) I am taking, mine has almost evaporated. So anything you can do to help would be very welcome. Strange thing is that it evaporates so slowly that you don't immediately realise or in fact miss it. Then all of a sudden you realise.
I probably need to plan another break to let my body stabilise again.
Dreamer
Davilee
(Login Davi-lee) Re: Davi lee, help with info. about dong quai October 19 2007, 9:24 AM
Yes indeed you speak true.
I've never had a strong libido anyway,probably due to my innate screwy hormones...but since starting my program it's *really* low.
Mine has cycles,it seems,I havent really been aware of it changing very much,other than its normal waxing and waning.
I get turned on now by talking to sex friends and really intensely into fantasizing.
Mainly its my imagination that has always been my key to get me hot.
I mean other than having a warm body right next to me,thats the important libido booster.
Oh,I like some pics and things but porn has always turned me off...I tried to get into it a long while back but I just couldnt.
For a long time,I stopped seeing the girls as sex objects and started seeing them as women to compare myself to..you know,wanting to be like them or wishing my parts were more like this gal or that gal.
I just really admire women.I find it hard to objectify them.
Now, male nudity is another thing.I do find myself wanting to find pics or vids of men with...ehem..large endowments. and Im not talking charitable contributions.
sorry if I went where you werent really interested to go.
I just get on a slutty tangent sometimes.
October 8 2007 at 6:48 PM Ann5 (Login Ann5)
SENIOR MEMBER
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Hi Davi Lee,
I would much appreciate your help with understanding if dong quai is a photoestrogen or not. I've searched online and have gotten mixed findings. Some say it is a very weak photoestrogen and others say it is not at all one. The ones that say it isn't estrogenic state that dong quai is more like ginseng for females. Do you have any dependable sources regarding this herb, or just know if it isn't estrogenic or not.
Author Reply
Davilee
(Login Davi-lee) Sorry I havent responded sooner Ann5 October 12 2007, 6:31 PM
Hiya,hiya.....
I've been trying to keep up with all my peeps on all the forums.
I'm helping compile data for others also,related to immune sysytem and such.
Okay....Its chemical profile shows that it has a lot of phytoestrogenic compounds....its quite complex.
My one index shows that it strengthens and tones the reproductive system.
Assists the body in using hormones.
Used to treat female hormone imbalances,causing effects such as hot flashes,other menopausal symptoms,PMS,and vaginal dryness.
My Ayurvedic book says that it regulates menstruation and treats dysmenorrhea,painful or difficult menst. and amenorrhea,absence or suppression of menst..
It is a general blood tonifier and blood circulation promoter.
It is cautioned not to use during pregnancy,Soooo,Id say that it has hormone balancing effects.
**And its general action sounds like it promotes or raises progesterone levels or lowers estrogen levels,,since too little progesterone has those negative effects during menses or the menopausal problems.
It may effect both levels of E & P hormone.
My instinct about it is that it isnt good for feminisation purposes.
BUT it would be good for females to take.
Ann5
(Login Ann5)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Davi lee, help with info. about dong quai October 12 2007, 11:28 PM
Hmm,ok. That's pretty good info. I think I might just take it. But would you recommend I stay off of dong quai if I start using BO? I appreciate your help.
Davilee
(Login Davi-lee) Re: Davi lee, help with info. about dong quai October 14 2007, 10:13 PM
oooh..huhmmm....I was trying to decide what to say about that.
gee Ann5,..im not sure frankly. Both of them can have strong effects.
If the DongQuai works how I think it works,it may just try and lower the estrogens from the BO. OR it may help you utilize estrogens better if your body needs higher levels. Some info. says that estrogen balancers like Flax and Alfalfa,somehow recognise the difference in phytoest's and bioest's.
Flax I read actually reduces estradiol levels,and affects any herbal compounds that mimic estradiol. So,Ive stopped taking that.
Tribulus terrestris,is supposed to be a good hormone promoter/stimulator for both sexes.It raises the sex drive also.
Ann5,what are you trying to accomplish exactly?If I had an idea what you wanted to affect then I could have a better idea of what to suggest.
If you dont want to talk about it in public,then you can always send me a message to my email.
If you want to take a stimulator along with BO,then you may want to take EveningPrimrose oil,its actions in the body is as an estrogen promoter.
However,Im not sure if that means estrogen booster or an estrogen regulator.
My feeling looking at the chemical profile,is that it boosts estrogen.Its high in Beta-sitosterol and several other strong P-est compounds.
I havent read anybodys account of what this combo will do.
Ann5
(Login Ann5)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Davi lee, help with info. about dong quai October 15 2007, 7:05 AM
Thanks Davi Lee.
Well never mind about taking it with BO. I've decided to go back to taking herbs. I was mainly thinking of using dong quai because some women have had a good reponse to increase their libido with it. That's my reason for taking it. But I wasn't sure if it'd be ok to take along with the BO since it's not good to take any estrogen along with it. Also since you stated and I've read that it's just an overall good supplement for women's issues I want to give it a try.
Davilee
(Login Davi-lee) Re: Davi lee, help with info. about dong quai October 16 2007, 5:50 AM
I think I made a list over on the other forum about libido enhancers.
Oh,were you the one who asked about that over there?
It seems to be kinda complex as to how the hormones interact and cause sexual desire to rise.
I say that because,looking at the herbs that cause that,they are all usually hormone regulators and balancers.
Ann5
(Login Ann5)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Davi lee, help with info. about dong quai October 16 2007, 7:20 PM
Yup, that was me.
Bob-Dreamer
(Login Boob-Dreamer)
SENIOR MEMBER Libido October 16 2007, 7:47 PM
An update on anything which increases male libido would be very helpful. Between age and the anti-androgens (SP) I am taking, mine has almost evaporated. So anything you can do to help would be very welcome. Strange thing is that it evaporates so slowly that you don't immediately realise or in fact miss it. Then all of a sudden you realise.
I probably need to plan another break to let my body stabilise again.
Dreamer
Davilee
(Login Davi-lee) Re: Davi lee, help with info. about dong quai October 19 2007, 9:24 AM
Yes indeed you speak true.
I've never had a strong libido anyway,probably due to my innate screwy hormones...but since starting my program it's *really* low.
Mine has cycles,it seems,I havent really been aware of it changing very much,other than its normal waxing and waning.
I get turned on now by talking to sex friends and really intensely into fantasizing.
Mainly its my imagination that has always been my key to get me hot.
I mean other than having a warm body right next to me,thats the important libido booster.
Oh,I like some pics and things but porn has always turned me off...I tried to get into it a long while back but I just couldnt.
For a long time,I stopped seeing the girls as sex objects and started seeing them as women to compare myself to..you know,wanting to be like them or wishing my parts were more like this gal or that gal.
I just really admire women.I find it hard to objectify them.
Now, male nudity is another thing.I do find myself wanting to find pics or vids of men with...ehem..large endowments. and Im not talking charitable contributions.
sorry if I went where you werent really interested to go.I just get on a slutty tangent sometimes.