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A Possible new combo, Hops and BO...
July 22 2007 at 10:41 AM Davilee (Login Davi-lee)
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May be worth trying.
I was reading Fengshui's program log and she mentioned that she tried adding Hops to her BO program and she got more growth quicker.
She thinks though that she overdosed on EST's and stalled a bit later.
HOWEVER,I think that it would probably work good for us.
Im going to try it,that is whenever I can get the money to buy the BO.
Hops do have {as far as Ive read so far} the strongest estrogenic compound of any Isoflavone.It is 1/20th the strength of bio-Est,estradiol.
Real bio-Est is like 1000x stronger than PEComp.
So,we need more Est.to do the job of changing things.
Author Reply
Fennel
(no login) Re: A Possible new combo, Hops and BO... July 22 2007, 11:18 AM
You only have a certain number of estrogen receptors. Overloading the system with estrogenic compounds might give an initial boost, but once the overload signals reach your brain it will shut down your receptors because it thinks you are getting too much. Then you will stall.
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Davilee
(Login Davi-lee) A facet to this.... July 22 2007, 11:59 AM
Ah...I didnt consider this deep enough.
Do women definitely have more receptors than men?I mean is this a FACT??
I am making this my new side study,now.
WELL,I know its a given that women structurally have more receptors because they have more organs that have more cells that use EST's.
I meant to say,do the cells we have in common differ in numbers of receptors.
It would all have to do with how much EST or TEST we were exposed to in utero,I theorise.
Thats what produces intersexed people,fluctuations in hormones from the mother.Well,thats not all the reasons,but Im not getting into all the other causes right now.Its just the most common reason.
Overstimulation of certain hormones at certain stages of development of the baby can cause a wide range of gender problems both mental and physical.
Its actually very facinating.....and very sad for those like me.We all have terrible problems in life socialising.
I dont know about anyone else but I seem to have had a very quick response to the P.E.comp.I developed in one week what Ive read(on other forums) most do in a month or more.
I think that there is a wide range of differences even among women as far as how easily they respond to external ESTs.
So,Im going to try her combo,adding hops in slowly to see if their is a difference as i go.
Thats the only way to find out,how my body really is.
Im intersexed anyway,so who knows what my body composition is internally.
I sure dont,I have ideas from feelings in my pelvis through my life, that I have some female parts,they just have never caused me any problems,so Ive never had to go to have a body scan or anything.
I would really like to have one just for curiosity.
But Im poor and cant afford such frivolity.
I have a theory about me,that since I squashed what TEST. I do have,my body's own EST mixed with the supplementals is taking off with changes.
I need to get a hormone test for sure.
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Fennel Fairy
(no login) If you decide to try this combo... July 22 2007, 2:35 PM
I'd suggest that you do some sort of ON/OFF method so your body stays receeptive and doesn't stall. You can do this by taking the product for 3 weeks, take a 3 week break, then continue the use for another 3 weeks etc. Then you get a jump start after each break which can give you a growth boost but you avoid overloading the system to a degree where your receptors are shut down. This is theory only - Not facts. :-)
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Fennel
(no login) Been thinking of this idea and... July 30 2007, 9:49 PM
I think Fenugreek might be a better choice if one was to combine something with BO. But definitely with the on/off method to avoid stalling. I think I will try this for a week or two and then take a break. I'll post my verdict afterwards.
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Chris
(no login) Re: A Possible new combo, Hops and BO... August 1 2007, 9:54 AM
Yes I think hops consumption means big boobs. That's why all these beer swilling blokes have such impressive man boobs. We all know that beer has plenty hops in, so it's no surprise really.
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Natasha
(no login) Re: A Possible new combo, Hops and BO... August 5 2007, 8:44 AM
Beer swilling blokes with man boobs also have big bellies. It's all fat you know rather than breast development.
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Davilee
(Login Davi-lee) THAT may well be true... August 7 2007, 1:58 PM
Im sure some of the growth is from the calorie contents.
BUT...like I said Hops have the strongest phytoestrogenic compound of any plant.
Thats why they are special in that regard....it has to make a difference.
YES...Miss Fennel...Please update us with your results.
I went looking for hops at my local brew supply place and they didnt have any that were packaged alone,they all were in kits...darn it.
I have another place in IN that sells hops.
WormsWay....they sell indoor gardening supplies and brewing supplies.
Ive seen them in capsule form also.They were cheap.
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Morticia
(Login moonstruck61) Re: A Possible new combo, Hops and BO... August 8 2007, 7:48 AM
Careful when you order your BO, they just denied my order and put it on hold.
They sent me a message saying I have to fill out some federal ephedrine form now.
Bullsh*t. I didn't order ephedrine, I ordered f**king cow ovaries. Moooooooooooooooo...
I think that they are tripped out by the large quantities I order and the frequency I order.
They must think I'm doing something illegal. WTF can someone do with cow ovaries that would be illegal?
I guess Bush must have made it illegal for transsexuals to alter our bodies.
I read somewhere that after 2009 you won't be able to have your ID / DL / passport / birth certificate / bank documents, changed from M to F anymore. Now you can with a court order after SRS but that's going away, homeland security bullsh*t they say. So even if you have SRS and are fully female, legally you will be identified as a male on all your legal documents forever.
This means I'll have to get all my stuff done ahead of my original schedule. I had previously decided that I would like to have it all behind me by 2010.
Damn..
I'm just sooo pissed off right now.
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Davilee
(Login Davi-lee) Geez! OH..Thats what your upset about..... August 9 2007, 6:46 PM
I got it now...NO WONDER youre upset...thats crappy.
I was just getting ready to order some of that.
You know that Georgey knows GAWD personally,and you know how GAWD doesnt like people deciding for themselves what is right for them.
SO,hes going to make sure GAWD knows hes a good little helper and punish everybody that doesnt conform to the new thought regime.
Holy crap! Im moving up to WA state and then into Canada,in British Columbia.....maybe Vancouver or Victoria my friend lives up there in Portland and he says those places are great.
RUN, RUN While YOU CAN!!!!
Maybe I'll just go to the Netherlands,that place sounds cool,I talk with a gal from there...Holland specifically...and Ive done some searching on those places and the people seem very nice and openminded.
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Blu-Jay
(no login) Re: A Possible new combo, Hops and BO... August 9 2007, 8:31 PM
Yeah! That really sucks! Morticia.
Right now there is a scare on again about mad cow. Alot of countrys are joining together and starting to ban beef imports. Bovine ovary is from beef. So that might be part of the problem. I would recomend trying to place an order with someone else and see if you have the same problem.
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Fennel Fairy
(no login) DNE August 9 2007, 9:09 PM
Perhaps they just suspect that you are ordering big bulks to sell to others? Could be that they want to make sure that you're ordering for personal use only, because different rules apply if you run a business and order stuff.
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Morticia
(Login moonstruck61) Re: A Possible new combo, Hops and BO... August 9 2007, 9:38 PM
Problem is, DNE is the only one that I can find that sells the 500mg caps.
Everyone else is like 120mg / 70 caps / $30
You get a lot less for a lot more.
I just sent them another email trying to find out what's going on.
They and I are both in the US so there shouldn't be a problem.
Here's what they emailed me the other day.
##########################
Dear ZZZZZZZZZ,
D&E Pharmaceuticals, parent company of DNEVitamins.com, is committed to the legal and ethical use of ephedrine and explicitly follows all local, state, and federal regulations regarding the distribution of this product. In accordance with these restrictions, we will hold your order (Order # XXXX) which contains ephedrine products until you have completely filled out the necessary paperwork. This order will be held for 29 days. After 30 days, the order will be deleted from our system. Please visit http://www.dneid.com for the identification form and submission instructions. In addition, Federal and state regulations limit shipments of ephedrine and ephedrine products. Please be aware that this could impact the quantity and / or type of ephedrine products that we are able to ship to you. If you have questions, please feel free to call 1-800-ZZZ-XXXX. Thanks for shopping with us! DNEVitamins.com Customer Care
##########################
Bullcrap. I did NOT order any ephedrine from them or anything containing ephedrine.
I ordered Bovine Mooooooooooooooo Ovary...
Until I figure out what to do I'm going to cut my dose waaaay down.
I'm currently taking 12 caps a day, (4 caps every 6 hours)..
And it's darn sure starting to show. But it's all over, not concentrated in my tits, it's totally feminizing my entire body evenly. It's sort of sneaking in on me. For a long time I thought nothing was happening but now It's becoming pretty obvious now.
So until I get some word back from them on my order status I'm going to cut down to 3 caps a day.
Arrrrrrgh!! Estrogen withdrawls!
Look out world, raging bitch suffering estrogen shortage on the rampage!
Edit Message Delete Message
Davilee
(Login Davi-lee) Re: A Possible new combo, Hops and BO... August 10 2007, 3:43 AM
Ohno......back up people...give her plenty of room...do not approach unless absolutely necessary....
Its going to get fairly rough around here in another couple of weeks,..I can see it now....oh boy..if im feeling like I did around last full moon...I'd better just refrain from hanging out here then...
Nuthin' personal ya understand..
Edit Message Delete Message
Morticia
(Login moonstruck61) whew! They cleared up the mix up! August 10 2007, 7:02 PM
DNE contacted me and told me they goofed and sent the wrong stock email to let me know that they were backordered. So there's no problem other than they are out of stock for the moment.
Whew! I was sweatin that one. In the future I'm going to order sooner and larger supplies so that I don't run out!
Davilee
(Login Davi-lee) A thread on the DNE BO..... August 11 2007, 12:35 PM
Hey,Blu-Jay..over on the BO forum Kitty wrote a good post in a thread on DNE and the safety of the BO product.
Basically,she found good news....
The FDA has ruled BO is a organ material that is on the list for nonpossible MCD.They do not consider it to be at risk at all because they have not found one instance of BO being contaminated.
I will reread it and then tell you what topic name its under.
July 22 2007 at 10:41 AM Davilee (Login Davi-lee)
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May be worth trying.
I was reading Fengshui's program log and she mentioned that she tried adding Hops to her BO program and she got more growth quicker.
She thinks though that she overdosed on EST's and stalled a bit later.
HOWEVER,I think that it would probably work good for us.
Im going to try it,that is whenever I can get the money to buy the BO.
Hops do have {as far as Ive read so far} the strongest estrogenic compound of any Isoflavone.It is 1/20th the strength of bio-Est,estradiol.
Real bio-Est is like 1000x stronger than PEComp.
So,we need more Est.to do the job of changing things.
Author Reply
Fennel
(no login) Re: A Possible new combo, Hops and BO... July 22 2007, 11:18 AM
You only have a certain number of estrogen receptors. Overloading the system with estrogenic compounds might give an initial boost, but once the overload signals reach your brain it will shut down your receptors because it thinks you are getting too much. Then you will stall.
Edit Message Delete Message
Davilee
(Login Davi-lee) A facet to this.... July 22 2007, 11:59 AM
Ah...I didnt consider this deep enough.
Do women definitely have more receptors than men?I mean is this a FACT??
I am making this my new side study,now.
WELL,I know its a given that women structurally have more receptors because they have more organs that have more cells that use EST's.
I meant to say,do the cells we have in common differ in numbers of receptors.
It would all have to do with how much EST or TEST we were exposed to in utero,I theorise.
Thats what produces intersexed people,fluctuations in hormones from the mother.Well,thats not all the reasons,but Im not getting into all the other causes right now.Its just the most common reason.
Overstimulation of certain hormones at certain stages of development of the baby can cause a wide range of gender problems both mental and physical.
Its actually very facinating.....and very sad for those like me.We all have terrible problems in life socialising.
I dont know about anyone else but I seem to have had a very quick response to the P.E.comp.I developed in one week what Ive read(on other forums) most do in a month or more.
I think that there is a wide range of differences even among women as far as how easily they respond to external ESTs.
So,Im going to try her combo,adding hops in slowly to see if their is a difference as i go.
Thats the only way to find out,how my body really is.
Im intersexed anyway,so who knows what my body composition is internally.
I sure dont,I have ideas from feelings in my pelvis through my life, that I have some female parts,they just have never caused me any problems,so Ive never had to go to have a body scan or anything.
I would really like to have one just for curiosity.
But Im poor and cant afford such frivolity.
I have a theory about me,that since I squashed what TEST. I do have,my body's own EST mixed with the supplementals is taking off with changes.
I need to get a hormone test for sure.
Edit Message Delete Message
Fennel Fairy
(no login) If you decide to try this combo... July 22 2007, 2:35 PM
I'd suggest that you do some sort of ON/OFF method so your body stays receeptive and doesn't stall. You can do this by taking the product for 3 weeks, take a 3 week break, then continue the use for another 3 weeks etc. Then you get a jump start after each break which can give you a growth boost but you avoid overloading the system to a degree where your receptors are shut down. This is theory only - Not facts. :-)
Edit Message Delete Message
Fennel
(no login) Been thinking of this idea and... July 30 2007, 9:49 PM
I think Fenugreek might be a better choice if one was to combine something with BO. But definitely with the on/off method to avoid stalling. I think I will try this for a week or two and then take a break. I'll post my verdict afterwards.
Edit Message Delete Message
Chris
(no login) Re: A Possible new combo, Hops and BO... August 1 2007, 9:54 AM
Yes I think hops consumption means big boobs. That's why all these beer swilling blokes have such impressive man boobs. We all know that beer has plenty hops in, so it's no surprise really.
Edit Message Delete Message
Natasha
(no login) Re: A Possible new combo, Hops and BO... August 5 2007, 8:44 AM
Beer swilling blokes with man boobs also have big bellies. It's all fat you know rather than breast development.
Edit Message Delete Message
Davilee
(Login Davi-lee) THAT may well be true... August 7 2007, 1:58 PM
Im sure some of the growth is from the calorie contents.
BUT...like I said Hops have the strongest phytoestrogenic compound of any plant.
Thats why they are special in that regard....it has to make a difference.
YES...Miss Fennel...Please update us with your results.
I went looking for hops at my local brew supply place and they didnt have any that were packaged alone,they all were in kits...darn it.
I have another place in IN that sells hops.
WormsWay....they sell indoor gardening supplies and brewing supplies.
Ive seen them in capsule form also.They were cheap.
Edit Message Delete Message
Morticia
(Login moonstruck61) Re: A Possible new combo, Hops and BO... August 8 2007, 7:48 AM
Careful when you order your BO, they just denied my order and put it on hold.
They sent me a message saying I have to fill out some federal ephedrine form now.
Bullsh*t. I didn't order ephedrine, I ordered f**king cow ovaries. Moooooooooooooooo...
I think that they are tripped out by the large quantities I order and the frequency I order.
They must think I'm doing something illegal. WTF can someone do with cow ovaries that would be illegal?
I guess Bush must have made it illegal for transsexuals to alter our bodies.
I read somewhere that after 2009 you won't be able to have your ID / DL / passport / birth certificate / bank documents, changed from M to F anymore. Now you can with a court order after SRS but that's going away, homeland security bullsh*t they say. So even if you have SRS and are fully female, legally you will be identified as a male on all your legal documents forever.
This means I'll have to get all my stuff done ahead of my original schedule. I had previously decided that I would like to have it all behind me by 2010.
Damn..
I'm just sooo pissed off right now.
Edit Message Delete Message
Davilee
(Login Davi-lee) Geez! OH..Thats what your upset about..... August 9 2007, 6:46 PM
I got it now...NO WONDER youre upset...thats crappy.
I was just getting ready to order some of that.
You know that Georgey knows GAWD personally,and you know how GAWD doesnt like people deciding for themselves what is right for them.
SO,hes going to make sure GAWD knows hes a good little helper and punish everybody that doesnt conform to the new thought regime.
Holy crap! Im moving up to WA state and then into Canada,in British Columbia.....maybe Vancouver or Victoria my friend lives up there in Portland and he says those places are great.
RUN, RUN While YOU CAN!!!!
Maybe I'll just go to the Netherlands,that place sounds cool,I talk with a gal from there...Holland specifically...and Ive done some searching on those places and the people seem very nice and openminded.
Edit Message Delete Message
Blu-Jay
(no login) Re: A Possible new combo, Hops and BO... August 9 2007, 8:31 PM
Yeah! That really sucks! Morticia.
Right now there is a scare on again about mad cow. Alot of countrys are joining together and starting to ban beef imports. Bovine ovary is from beef. So that might be part of the problem. I would recomend trying to place an order with someone else and see if you have the same problem.
Edit Message Delete Message
Fennel Fairy
(no login) DNE August 9 2007, 9:09 PM
Perhaps they just suspect that you are ordering big bulks to sell to others? Could be that they want to make sure that you're ordering for personal use only, because different rules apply if you run a business and order stuff.
Edit Message Delete Message
Morticia
(Login moonstruck61) Re: A Possible new combo, Hops and BO... August 9 2007, 9:38 PM
Problem is, DNE is the only one that I can find that sells the 500mg caps.
Everyone else is like 120mg / 70 caps / $30
You get a lot less for a lot more.
I just sent them another email trying to find out what's going on.
They and I are both in the US so there shouldn't be a problem.
Here's what they emailed me the other day.
##########################
Dear ZZZZZZZZZ,
D&E Pharmaceuticals, parent company of DNEVitamins.com, is committed to the legal and ethical use of ephedrine and explicitly follows all local, state, and federal regulations regarding the distribution of this product. In accordance with these restrictions, we will hold your order (Order # XXXX) which contains ephedrine products until you have completely filled out the necessary paperwork. This order will be held for 29 days. After 30 days, the order will be deleted from our system. Please visit http://www.dneid.com for the identification form and submission instructions. In addition, Federal and state regulations limit shipments of ephedrine and ephedrine products. Please be aware that this could impact the quantity and / or type of ephedrine products that we are able to ship to you. If you have questions, please feel free to call 1-800-ZZZ-XXXX. Thanks for shopping with us! DNEVitamins.com Customer Care
##########################
Bullcrap. I did NOT order any ephedrine from them or anything containing ephedrine.
I ordered Bovine Mooooooooooooooo Ovary...
Until I figure out what to do I'm going to cut my dose waaaay down.
I'm currently taking 12 caps a day, (4 caps every 6 hours)..
And it's darn sure starting to show. But it's all over, not concentrated in my tits, it's totally feminizing my entire body evenly. It's sort of sneaking in on me. For a long time I thought nothing was happening but now It's becoming pretty obvious now.
So until I get some word back from them on my order status I'm going to cut down to 3 caps a day.
Arrrrrrgh!! Estrogen withdrawls!
Look out world, raging bitch suffering estrogen shortage on the rampage!
Edit Message Delete Message
Davilee
(Login Davi-lee) Re: A Possible new combo, Hops and BO... August 10 2007, 3:43 AM
Ohno......back up people...give her plenty of room...do not approach unless absolutely necessary....
Its going to get fairly rough around here in another couple of weeks,..I can see it now....oh boy..if im feeling like I did around last full moon...I'd better just refrain from hanging out here then...
Nuthin' personal ya understand..
Edit Message Delete Message
Morticia
(Login moonstruck61) whew! They cleared up the mix up! August 10 2007, 7:02 PM
DNE contacted me and told me they goofed and sent the wrong stock email to let me know that they were backordered. So there's no problem other than they are out of stock for the moment.
Whew! I was sweatin that one. In the future I'm going to order sooner and larger supplies so that I don't run out!
Davilee
(Login Davi-lee) A thread on the DNE BO..... August 11 2007, 12:35 PM
Hey,Blu-Jay..over on the BO forum Kitty wrote a good post in a thread on DNE and the safety of the BO product.
Basically,she found good news....
The FDA has ruled BO is a organ material that is on the list for nonpossible MCD.They do not consider it to be at risk at all because they have not found one instance of BO being contaminated.
I will reread it and then tell you what topic name its under.