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Introduction and need help.
August 15 2008 at 5:47 PM DSD (Login DreamSoDear)
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Hello all,
As far back as age 12, I have wanted my own set of Breasts. I am in my late 40’s now, and until very recently, it was a hopeless frustration and longing, with no hope of fulfillment. For years, I have looked at Women, both for the Beauty, and many times to think “I wish I had that set of Breasts on me”. Alas, that was not to be, but the desire was/is constantly there.
Fact is, due to a totally unplanned set of circumstances, things have changed, and I have found this wonderful Forum. I need some Advice and Suggestions on where to go from here. I want to give a little background first, so you know where I am coming from, and may get an idea what I may need. I thank You All in advance; this seems to be a very nice place. I have to admit, this whole thing has me a little scared.
I grew up in a Great Family, more or less only child (My Half Brother was 20 years older and out of State). I did not get along/relate with many kids/people and still don’t. The relationships I did/do have are strong ones though. My niece (one year younger) started Crossdressing me when I was 12, sometimes with little games to force the Issue. We had a lot of fun, and I still remember the Terror/Thrill of My Half Brother walking into my Niece’s room and catching me “fully dressed”. My Mom started Drinking about then, and secret crossdressing became my escape from “Jeckal and Hyde”. This lasted for Years and got more complete as time went on. Somewhere along the way was born my obsession with Breasts. My Wife has always made love to my Nipples, I thought that was about as far as I could get. I have not crossdressed since My Mother died Years ago, soon after that I just abruptly quit. I have kept my thing for breasts to myself since then, not even mentioning it to my Wife, but it is always “there”. I was quite Sexy and Passable (5’ 10”, 28” waist, 160 lbs), up to the time I quit. My Wife and I would go Clubbing, Camping, Shopping, and I would even spend the first Day of many trips over 600 miles “Dressed”. It was a Big Thrill and could be quite Sexual. The problem was there were always, some hang-ups my Wife could no shake totally, from her upbringing in Her Parents, Ultra Christian Upbringing. That’s a part reason why I up and quit 14 Years ago, there was a bunch more stuff happening at the time too. Our Sex life also dropped way off about then, for a bunch or reasons, but not a lack of love. Since then my stash of nice Breast Pictures has grown, and I have whacked off many times to them, wishing they were my Breasts. I don’t know if I could ever be passable again, too many years of neglect have passed.
Forward to Now. A Year ago, I was in a bad Accident; I was T-boned, lots of pain and neck problems. I went from Very Active and Upbeat, to shut in and Depressed. I gained 30 pounds. At the same time my Wife was loosing 85 Pounds on Weight Watchers, coming back from a Depression of Her own. She looks real Fine now. For a long time, my ability to get an Erection and stay erect was lacking, and slowly got worse. Sex was just about non-existent. The Dr. said I was as good as I was going to get in June, and for the most part, I am good. But I had this big gut I had never had, and maybe the start of some little Man Boobs. I decided to go to the DR. for my Hard-On problems. He gave me some Levitra, and took my Testosterone Levels. Our Sex Life came back with a vengeance with the Levitra, and I went on Weight Watchers like my Wife had, I was 204lbs when I started and I am 194lbs now, goal is 160lb (my Diet has drastically improved.). When the Testosterone Levels came back from the Lab, The Dr. was worried, they were 254. He put me on Androgel, to raise my Testosterone Levels, about July 15th. My Wife and I both read the paperwork that came with the Androgel, first 2 side effects, Breast Growth, Breast Tenderness. That got my mind spinning, up to that point, I only knew 2 ways for a Man to have Breasts, Estrogen and Implants, and neither had ever really been available to me. You are supposed to put it on your Abdomen and Upper Arms, before long I was putting it on my Breasts. 2 weeks later, I was noticing growth under my arms and in the Breasts. I was excited; I went on line and found lots of things, including the Flat2Fem web page. I learned about Herbs, then found out how easy they were to get. I bought some Fenugreek, Red Clover and Flax Seed, that was a week ago. 2 caps each 3 times a day, on a empty Stomach, as much Flax Seed as I could reasonably eat with Breakfast. I stopped applying the Androgel, to my Breasts. I Massage them several times a day, and use a Heating pad, and Hydrotherapy. On the first Night, drinking lots of Water, I felt my Breasts swell, get sore, and spread out, my Nipples doubled in size. I can feel the Glands in my Breasts for the first time, there has been a lot going on, with little pains and heat in my Breasts. Though its Fat and water buildup (from the Fenugreek), I shot up to about an “A” cup. My Milk Ducts are Visible in the Areola, and I have the “Pale Ring” around the Areola, some have mentioned. I have also had some added padding to my ass and maybe a start on my Hips. There is nothing but big “C” Cups and above on both sides of my Family.
My Wife understands why the Dr. put me on the Androgel, and that I could grow Breasts. Frankly she does not think I will, though, she admits they could be a lot of fun. We discussed if I did, all we had to tell people, is “The Breasts are a Side Effect of the Medicine, he needs to take”. I plan to do whatever I can to make them Large, Proud, and Permanent, I just need help with what I should do. I should also say, Money is not real good for us, so I maybe limited by cash from doing some things. My short term goal is to hopefully have enough growth/Breast weight in the next month, that when we go on our annual Horse Camping Trip, that I cannot Ride my Horse without a Sports Bra (I know it’s a long shot, but I can Hope. It would be a great way to break the Bra Barrier with my Wife.) I also can’t wait for my Breast Buds. Beyond that I am in this for the Long Term and a Fat Pair of “C” Cups would make me Very Happy. I would also love to be forced out of Mans Jeans, by a Round Butt and Hips. I hope I do not loose my Erections, at least still be able to have them, with some help from Levitra. I do know that this is going to take a couple Years.
Considering my Age and the Androgel, what Herbs and doses would you suggest?
Is the Androgel competing with the Herbs for my Receptors?
If I took Sow Palmetto, for a month or two, would it convert all the Androgel to Estrogen? (Instead of just Part of it?) Would that speed up my growth rate?
As I am on a Weight Loss program, what can I do to get Weight to my Breasts during this? Will Flax Seed or something else help? My Wife lost a full cup size during her Weight Loss.
Do I need to Detox my Body with Milk Thistle?
Sleep and Growth Hormone. I sleep very badly (I work Graveyard), I doubt I am getting any of the little Growth Hormone my 48 Year old Body is Producing. What is safe for me to take or do, on this issue?
Progetone, do I need it now, or at all? What to buy? How do I know if my Breast growth has been actually triggered? What can I do to make sure?
What about Fennel Seed?
I am sure there maybe more, or you may have questions for me. I just Dearly want this to work. I would prefer that what ever I do, in 5 months when I have to go back to the Dr. I could blame it on the Androgel Side Effects.
I did make a mistake though, and it worries me. 2 days ago Morning, I fired up the Heating Pad (To Draw the Herbs into my Breasts, per the Flat2fem Blog), it heats slow, so I put it on high, and intended to turn it down, when it got to temp. I laid face down on it, and Exhausted from Work, fell asleep. I did not intend this, and as far as I know I was out for an hour or so, Breasts on the Hot Pad on High. I woke up chest very warm, Red Marks on the skin, below the Breasts (marking where the edge of the Heating Pad had been. Could I have damaged my Breasts, Glands, etc? If so, will they recover? I would hate to think I screwed up my chance for Breasts, with a Dumb Mistake like this. I could just be being Paranoid, but it seems like Structure I had been feeling has Diminished. The good growth rate and burn has seems to have stopped. They also seem more flabby since then, and I have had Pain in my Gland on my Left breast, the last 12 or so Hours.
DSD
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Lightway
(no login) Re: Introduction and need help. August 17 2008, 8:43 AM
I'm confused. AndroGel is a daily testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) that can bring your T levels back to normal and keep them there, so why does that cause breast development? Is it because it actually gives you too much T and the excess T is converted into estrogen? Hmmmm.... I thought those wanting to develop breasts always tried to REDUCE their T level?
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riven_one
(Login riven_one) Re: Introduction and need help. August 17 2008, 6:30 PM
Back when I used to tinker with steroid precursors (trying to bulk up) the sellers of the product also sold another complementary product that would knock down estrogen levels. They said that taking products to boost T would also boost E, because the body would use E to regulate T. When the body sees too much T it makes more E. I don't know if this is true or not; I took the add-on product anyway and toward the end of the cycle I did start to get some breast development so maybe the theory is true.
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Fennel Fairy
(no login) Re: Introduction and need help. August 17 2008, 7:50 PM
Hello there!
Yes - The Androgel raises testosterone levels and if there is an excess of testosterone, it will turn into estrogen and make your breast tissue grow.
I think you would get the best effect out of the Androgel if you don't mix any herbs into your routine. Saw palmetto might decrease the excess testosterone that could convert into estrogen so that you end up with none at all, and weaker phytoestrogens might take the space that your raised amount of estrogen should have and compete with it for a place to attach itself. Progesterone cream might not be good either since progesterone works to balance out too high levels of both testosterone and estrogen in the body.
My advice to you is to let the Androgel work alone and combine it with daily massage. Once you have stopped taking it, you may want to try herbs.
Good luck!
August 15 2008 at 5:47 PM DSD (Login DreamSoDear)
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Hello all,
As far back as age 12, I have wanted my own set of Breasts. I am in my late 40’s now, and until very recently, it was a hopeless frustration and longing, with no hope of fulfillment. For years, I have looked at Women, both for the Beauty, and many times to think “I wish I had that set of Breasts on me”. Alas, that was not to be, but the desire was/is constantly there.
Fact is, due to a totally unplanned set of circumstances, things have changed, and I have found this wonderful Forum. I need some Advice and Suggestions on where to go from here. I want to give a little background first, so you know where I am coming from, and may get an idea what I may need. I thank You All in advance; this seems to be a very nice place. I have to admit, this whole thing has me a little scared.
I grew up in a Great Family, more or less only child (My Half Brother was 20 years older and out of State). I did not get along/relate with many kids/people and still don’t. The relationships I did/do have are strong ones though. My niece (one year younger) started Crossdressing me when I was 12, sometimes with little games to force the Issue. We had a lot of fun, and I still remember the Terror/Thrill of My Half Brother walking into my Niece’s room and catching me “fully dressed”. My Mom started Drinking about then, and secret crossdressing became my escape from “Jeckal and Hyde”. This lasted for Years and got more complete as time went on. Somewhere along the way was born my obsession with Breasts. My Wife has always made love to my Nipples, I thought that was about as far as I could get. I have not crossdressed since My Mother died Years ago, soon after that I just abruptly quit. I have kept my thing for breasts to myself since then, not even mentioning it to my Wife, but it is always “there”. I was quite Sexy and Passable (5’ 10”, 28” waist, 160 lbs), up to the time I quit. My Wife and I would go Clubbing, Camping, Shopping, and I would even spend the first Day of many trips over 600 miles “Dressed”. It was a Big Thrill and could be quite Sexual. The problem was there were always, some hang-ups my Wife could no shake totally, from her upbringing in Her Parents, Ultra Christian Upbringing. That’s a part reason why I up and quit 14 Years ago, there was a bunch more stuff happening at the time too. Our Sex life also dropped way off about then, for a bunch or reasons, but not a lack of love. Since then my stash of nice Breast Pictures has grown, and I have whacked off many times to them, wishing they were my Breasts. I don’t know if I could ever be passable again, too many years of neglect have passed.
Forward to Now. A Year ago, I was in a bad Accident; I was T-boned, lots of pain and neck problems. I went from Very Active and Upbeat, to shut in and Depressed. I gained 30 pounds. At the same time my Wife was loosing 85 Pounds on Weight Watchers, coming back from a Depression of Her own. She looks real Fine now. For a long time, my ability to get an Erection and stay erect was lacking, and slowly got worse. Sex was just about non-existent. The Dr. said I was as good as I was going to get in June, and for the most part, I am good. But I had this big gut I had never had, and maybe the start of some little Man Boobs. I decided to go to the DR. for my Hard-On problems. He gave me some Levitra, and took my Testosterone Levels. Our Sex Life came back with a vengeance with the Levitra, and I went on Weight Watchers like my Wife had, I was 204lbs when I started and I am 194lbs now, goal is 160lb (my Diet has drastically improved.). When the Testosterone Levels came back from the Lab, The Dr. was worried, they were 254. He put me on Androgel, to raise my Testosterone Levels, about July 15th. My Wife and I both read the paperwork that came with the Androgel, first 2 side effects, Breast Growth, Breast Tenderness. That got my mind spinning, up to that point, I only knew 2 ways for a Man to have Breasts, Estrogen and Implants, and neither had ever really been available to me. You are supposed to put it on your Abdomen and Upper Arms, before long I was putting it on my Breasts. 2 weeks later, I was noticing growth under my arms and in the Breasts. I was excited; I went on line and found lots of things, including the Flat2Fem web page. I learned about Herbs, then found out how easy they were to get. I bought some Fenugreek, Red Clover and Flax Seed, that was a week ago. 2 caps each 3 times a day, on a empty Stomach, as much Flax Seed as I could reasonably eat with Breakfast. I stopped applying the Androgel, to my Breasts. I Massage them several times a day, and use a Heating pad, and Hydrotherapy. On the first Night, drinking lots of Water, I felt my Breasts swell, get sore, and spread out, my Nipples doubled in size. I can feel the Glands in my Breasts for the first time, there has been a lot going on, with little pains and heat in my Breasts. Though its Fat and water buildup (from the Fenugreek), I shot up to about an “A” cup. My Milk Ducts are Visible in the Areola, and I have the “Pale Ring” around the Areola, some have mentioned. I have also had some added padding to my ass and maybe a start on my Hips. There is nothing but big “C” Cups and above on both sides of my Family.
My Wife understands why the Dr. put me on the Androgel, and that I could grow Breasts. Frankly she does not think I will, though, she admits they could be a lot of fun. We discussed if I did, all we had to tell people, is “The Breasts are a Side Effect of the Medicine, he needs to take”. I plan to do whatever I can to make them Large, Proud, and Permanent, I just need help with what I should do. I should also say, Money is not real good for us, so I maybe limited by cash from doing some things. My short term goal is to hopefully have enough growth/Breast weight in the next month, that when we go on our annual Horse Camping Trip, that I cannot Ride my Horse without a Sports Bra (I know it’s a long shot, but I can Hope. It would be a great way to break the Bra Barrier with my Wife.) I also can’t wait for my Breast Buds. Beyond that I am in this for the Long Term and a Fat Pair of “C” Cups would make me Very Happy. I would also love to be forced out of Mans Jeans, by a Round Butt and Hips. I hope I do not loose my Erections, at least still be able to have them, with some help from Levitra. I do know that this is going to take a couple Years.
Considering my Age and the Androgel, what Herbs and doses would you suggest?
Is the Androgel competing with the Herbs for my Receptors?
If I took Sow Palmetto, for a month or two, would it convert all the Androgel to Estrogen? (Instead of just Part of it?) Would that speed up my growth rate?
As I am on a Weight Loss program, what can I do to get Weight to my Breasts during this? Will Flax Seed or something else help? My Wife lost a full cup size during her Weight Loss.
Do I need to Detox my Body with Milk Thistle?
Sleep and Growth Hormone. I sleep very badly (I work Graveyard), I doubt I am getting any of the little Growth Hormone my 48 Year old Body is Producing. What is safe for me to take or do, on this issue?
Progetone, do I need it now, or at all? What to buy? How do I know if my Breast growth has been actually triggered? What can I do to make sure?
What about Fennel Seed?
I am sure there maybe more, or you may have questions for me. I just Dearly want this to work. I would prefer that what ever I do, in 5 months when I have to go back to the Dr. I could blame it on the Androgel Side Effects.
I did make a mistake though, and it worries me. 2 days ago Morning, I fired up the Heating Pad (To Draw the Herbs into my Breasts, per the Flat2fem Blog), it heats slow, so I put it on high, and intended to turn it down, when it got to temp. I laid face down on it, and Exhausted from Work, fell asleep. I did not intend this, and as far as I know I was out for an hour or so, Breasts on the Hot Pad on High. I woke up chest very warm, Red Marks on the skin, below the Breasts (marking where the edge of the Heating Pad had been. Could I have damaged my Breasts, Glands, etc? If so, will they recover? I would hate to think I screwed up my chance for Breasts, with a Dumb Mistake like this. I could just be being Paranoid, but it seems like Structure I had been feeling has Diminished. The good growth rate and burn has seems to have stopped. They also seem more flabby since then, and I have had Pain in my Gland on my Left breast, the last 12 or so Hours.
DSD
Author Reply
Lightway
(no login) Re: Introduction and need help. August 17 2008, 8:43 AM
I'm confused. AndroGel is a daily testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) that can bring your T levels back to normal and keep them there, so why does that cause breast development? Is it because it actually gives you too much T and the excess T is converted into estrogen? Hmmmm.... I thought those wanting to develop breasts always tried to REDUCE their T level?
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riven_one
(Login riven_one) Re: Introduction and need help. August 17 2008, 6:30 PM
Back when I used to tinker with steroid precursors (trying to bulk up) the sellers of the product also sold another complementary product that would knock down estrogen levels. They said that taking products to boost T would also boost E, because the body would use E to regulate T. When the body sees too much T it makes more E. I don't know if this is true or not; I took the add-on product anyway and toward the end of the cycle I did start to get some breast development so maybe the theory is true.
Edit Message Delete Message
Fennel Fairy
(no login) Re: Introduction and need help. August 17 2008, 7:50 PM
Hello there!
Yes - The Androgel raises testosterone levels and if there is an excess of testosterone, it will turn into estrogen and make your breast tissue grow.
I think you would get the best effect out of the Androgel if you don't mix any herbs into your routine. Saw palmetto might decrease the excess testosterone that could convert into estrogen so that you end up with none at all, and weaker phytoestrogens might take the space that your raised amount of estrogen should have and compete with it for a place to attach itself. Progesterone cream might not be good either since progesterone works to balance out too high levels of both testosterone and estrogen in the body.
My advice to you is to let the Androgel work alone and combine it with daily massage. Once you have stopped taking it, you may want to try herbs.
Good luck!