[Cunningluvr]

1. Is it when you permanently lose the ability to get erections?

Or

2. Is it when you permanently lose the ability to produce viable sperm?

Or

3. Is it when aromatase permanently takes over and converts all your testosterone to estrogen even after quitting BO?

Or some combination of the three? Or is it something else? I’ve read a few anecdotes here, but nothing definitive. Thank you!

[DruLactin]

I somewhat doubt if there's a " point of no return". ssure, if BO can sterilize you that would be it, not sure if it could without seriously high dosage though. maybe it can indefinitely alter your aromatase production, maybe. but even then that would just be treated with an aromatase inhibitor and you'd 'return'. i don't find it all that likely that there's a point of no return, barring something like dying.

[Karen Hart]

In simplistic terms, I would say that the point-of-no-return, is when you permanently lose anything that you had hoped to get back.
If aromatization takes over, permanently, there is no going back (or so I have heard).

My question would be -- if one has lost all or part of their erectile abilities, will they recover their abilities upon cessation of BO? Same question with viable sperm.

For me, erectile difficulties and clear ejaculate happened very quickly and simultaneously, after only three days of dosing.
First day was 250mg, second and third day were 500mg. The next day, I discontinued the use of BO because the rapid onset of these symptoms was rather startling.
This was around 4-6 weeks ago. I think that my breasts may be growing at a slow pace now, without BO. Erections and ejaculate have remained as they were on the first day of discovery. I will be observing over the next few months to see what happens.

[Cunningluvr]

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Wow, that is a rapid reaction. Mine’s been faster than expected but measured. I’d prefer losing the erections and sperm, but if BO takes permanent control of my endocrine system after a period of use I’d go back to PM.

[Karen Hart]

Wow, that is a rapid reaction. Mine’s been faster than expected but measured. I’d prefer losing the erections and sperm, but if BO takes permanent control of my endocrine system after a period of use I’d go back to PM.

Here's an update on my BO experience.

I just starte experiencing some reversal after approximately four to six weeks off of BO. 
My erections are getting better and my sperm is now getting back to normal in both quantity and appearance. 

I doubt that I will take any more BO. It is just too powerful and I do not want to permanently lose my ability to get an erection.
However, I still want to grow my breasts from an A cup to a B cup.
When I am convinced that I have recovered as fully as possible from BO, I will start herbals again.

There are two products that I have used in the past which gave me decent results, 
a Wild Yam cream and an herbal blend called "Lactation Support" with Fenugreek, Fennel and Milk Thistle.
Previously, I used the cream and the caps at different times but this time I may try them in combination.

Wild Yam cream
https://www.amazon.com/Bio-Identical-Pro...B01N12IXCM

Herbal Blend
https://www.amazon.com/Organic-Breastfeeding-Supplement-Lactation-Fenugreek/dp/B01K4C9KUO/ref=sr_1_4?crid=211DUXZ85FVMP&keywords=lactation+pills+for+increased+breast+milk&qid=1676654149&s=hpc&sprefix=lactation+%2Chpc%2C846&sr=1-4 

[Cunningluvr]

Thanks Karen,

My progress on BO seems slow, but I'm going to give it two more months and then decide whether to stick with it or go back to PM. 

I actually welcome loss of male function. I've been caged for years, so erections, ejaculate etc. are not wanted anyway. If and when I go on HRT, an orchi would be top priority.

[Zhuzhu]

In simplistic terms, I would say that the point-of-no-return, is when you permanently lose anything that you had hoped to get back.
If aromatization takes over, permanently, there is no going back (or so I have heard).

My question would be -- if one has lost all or part of their erectile abilities, will they recover their abilities upon cessation of BO? Same question with viable sperm.

For me, erectile difficulties and clear ejaculate happened very quickly and simultaneously, after only three days of dosing.
First day was 250mg, second and third day were 500mg. The next day, I discontinued the use of BO because the rapid onset of these symptoms was rather startling.
This was around 4-6 weeks ago. I think that my breasts may be growing at a slow pace now, without BO. Erections and ejaculate have remained as they were on the first day of discovery. I will be observing over the next few months to see what happens.

Would viagra or cialis help?  I take generic cialis and i have erections, without it not really =)

[Zhuzhu]

Thanks Karen,

My progress on BO seems slow, but I'm going to give it two more months and then decide whether to stick with it or go back to PM. 

I actually welcome loss of male function. I've been caged for years, so erections, ejaculate etc. are not wanted anyway. If and when I go on HRT, an orchi would be top priority.

I've been on PM and Reishi for the longest time.  My results are slow but noticeable to me.  I had taken BO before and I think it started the prosess but I had to stop so now I ordered a few months supply and want to give it a go.

Emotionally I've been on a feminine buzz for about a week and people are less aggressive towards me.  I think my good mood shows but it freaks my dogs out i think

[Cagedmuscle213]

From so eone that has used test and has needed to restart my bodies naturally ability to produce it's natural test again after using a synthetic version. I have seen good results using 5-10,000 ius of hgc and and 20 mg of clomid and 40 mg of nolvadex to help kick start my bodies natural ability to produce it's own testosterone again after coming off cycle of a synthetic version. Again this was for body building purposes. 

Just like anything you take in a synthetic form your body sees that it has an excess of it so it stops it's natural production since it sees it's at a higher level and will want to try to balance it out. So again I know most body builders will use some form or combo of hgc clomid and nolvadex to return to testicles and other parts to optimize the return of producing their bodies natural test vs months of waiting for the body to correct itself on its own. 

Just Food for thought, maybe something to look into that may help return your system back to normal more quickly if you feel you went too far with your supplementation