[OOO]

Why do we need labels?

Yes I’m on HRT, I don’t feel that I’m sick in the head.  I try very hard not to use labels because when I do society says I’m sick.  

So!  I’m just me no more, no less.  With the use of HRT which makes me very happy.  In my opinion society is the problem.

Caylee

[CM213]

Yes I would suggest that once you're at 100% again, to try other ways to grow breasts if you aren't completely put off by it from this experience with pm. There are many on here that have had similar issues with blood clots, high blood pressure, and DVT. 

Might have to use other methods like b.o, hrt, fenugreek etc (not in those combinations obviously). There is a thread called chuck m program/progress. He had very similar experience he the. Switch from PM to fenugreek (if I remember correctly) and he has pretty awesome boobs. 

So all is not lost, there are other avenues to take if you're still serious about growing your own breasts. 

And on a side note, it's really easy to come off discriminatory. It's so embedded in everyday life and society that almost anything can be taken as a phobia/discrimination of any sort, why because someone is living with it, and it's their own personal hell. I know most probably think I'm racist, hateful, and against almost anything LGBTQ, but those that actually know me, know I'm not. But I have to be extremely careful especially with new crowds and new people to not do or say anything even if it's ment as a joke, because like I said earlier, someone is living with what was made light of, and usually it's just comments made out of ignorance and lack of understanding and knowledge. I'm ignorant on many things ( it's not an insult to me, I am just not knowledgeable), but once you know and continue to not change then that's the problem. 

Remember someone is always going through something. Someone could be on the edge and even the slightest thing can cause them to jump, or the kindest words can cause them to step back. So always treat people with kindness and courteousy, and more importantly like they're human. That's all anyone wants.

[Gardenwitch]

for me gender dysphoria was diagnosed after meeting with both a gender care specialist and a therapist. It’s in my medical record now. But honestly, I don’t care. I’m not mentally ill, nor would I categorize this condition as such. However, I do see your point. Some would rather not have this following them around forever. While I had results on PM, I felt it was appropriate to work directly with a medical professional on HRT. The last thing I wanted was to drop dead from an @home regiment. That’s not say PM is not a safe and effective procedure. Just like anything else, there’s certain levels of risks. 

I definitely get where you are coming from as well! If it came down to it I’d rather have the diagnosis than accidentally die

[Gardenwitch]

Pointing out obviously transphobic and false statements is not thought policing.

F64.0 is not a mental health diagnosis because sex/gender dysphoria is not a mental illness. I'm no though police by pointing that out, I'm not even insulted or surprised either, but I take no shit and calling this diagnosis a mental illness is bullshit. Ironically enough, it should be dealt with as a medical issue, not a social one, but it definitely is not an illness. Symptoms of leaving these conditions untreated manifest as mental health problems though.

You shouldn't worry, these diagnosis are not handed out like candy to cis guys taking herbs to grow boobs, for that I bet there could be some completely different diagnostics if someone wanted to come up with one. This whole worry stems from the idea that trans women or anyone who gets transsex/gender diagnosis is a mentally ill freak who wont get hired or helped by authorities seeing us as mentally ill, unstable, non human. Discrimination happens a lot, because people are assholes and society is totally full of shit about these things even to this day. Especially older people are. As long as our condition is thought as mental illness, this shit keeps happening.

EDIT:
Next step is probably to call me a rabid blue haired woke tranny or something like that... But this mental illness thing should not be given a tiniest bit of space, it is not ok. Its not that long ago that everything from homosexuality to transsex conditions were all labelled as mental illness. Its taken decades of fight to have us become somewhat normal people and not mentally ill because of just existing with a normal part of human condition which is just somewhat rare. There's no room for that kinda stuff here on BN and nowhere else either. This is very much a hill I'm ready to die upon.

We are clearly having a misunderstanding. I never said trans people are mentally ill. You’ve put your own meaning into my words.

[CM213]

Its all good. It's in the past. Yes misunderstandings happen alot on here. Let move forward.

Again I was suggest that if you're still adamant about growing breasts once you have healed and your blood clots have gone away and you have a clean bill of health there are other programs on here that you just have to find that are 9:00 p.m. based programs like using fenugreek or white phony as the foundation of the program if you're not wanting to go the bovine ovary route. The only thing is that it seems like the safest route is legitimate HRT and if you're not wanting to do that bovine ovary doesn't seem to have the same risks involved as p.m., but at that point you're pretty much well on your road to transition more so with using HRT obviously