[ahrism]

The Topical Protocol is a breakthrough in the advancement of the science of feminizing breast development!

100%!!!! I started the topical and went from my tiny A's to much fuller B's in less than 6 weeks. The only change I made was adding the topical regimen. Thanks Lotus and Lara for all the info!!

Can anyone please point me to the topical protocol?

I know I've seen something on reddit, but I can't find anything referenced here, and I've went through the pages all the way back to last summer.



Does Lotus post her recommended regimens somewhere else? Where is everyone finding these protocols of hers?





I also checked the OP on page 1, hoping to find the latest protocols from the queen herself, but It hasn't been edited for over 10 years.

[wee2er]

Seem odd that you cannot find the threads as many are posting about it in their own threads.

Anyway, you can find the topical regime as below, some people refer to it as TCP, useful too know when searching.

Methods>Other Methods> The Topical Cream Protocol (by Lotus & Heavens Night)

https://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=32098

[ahrism]

Thank you!

And apologies! I don't view other peoples threads, so I would never have found it that way.

[Heaven's Night]

You should because we tend to mention stuff in personal threads that isn't always repeated on the main ones, I'm much guilty of this.

[ahrism]

I apologize, I just simply don't have that time, as I admin the NBE discord server, the NBE subreddit, and I am building an NBE website to help guide users. I also have my own clients that demand a lot of my time with Q&A and regimen building.

I have looked at this site extensively, but I don't have the time to make sure each and every thread is monitored. So I make sure to follow theads like this one from time to time.

I've also seen lotus's thread on reddit for the TCP, but I assume she was posting about it in here.

Thank you for pointing me to the TCP thread tho! Super helpful.

[Lotus]

I also checked the OP on page 1, hoping to find the latest protocols from the queen herself, but It hasn't been edited for over 10 years.

You should stop spamming “It hasn't been edited for over 10 years” on Reddit and Breastnexum and other mistruths about my “program” being unclear. If you bother to scroll down the page you'll see that the last update was on 11-22-2022 (which is 3 years ago and a far cry from 10 years ago you've stated ). I’ve reviewed your subreddit and see a lot of my science postings and actual experiences being repeated and put in your own words. I’ve seen you mentioned you've spent over 400 hrs of research compiling NBE research, contrast that to my 12 years of proven success (with attached pictures).

I've NEVER asked for donations or charged a fee when speaking with people asking for help… throughout the past 12 years I've spoken with thousands of people offering help, support and love… with no agenda of profiting from others. So much for being a free site when you're making people feel obligated to donate (and charge $10.00 for clients... are you a licensed?) for speaking with you, because you put in 400+ hours of work, what a crock. I don't approve or authorize you (or anyone) to claim my research and knowledge as their own.

Btw, I introduced Aloe Vera in capsule form on breastnexum and our sister site Breastnexus years ago… And yet it shows up on NBE reddit using my research… which my research gets copied over there too. Guess what, Aloe Vera in capsule form turned out to be a dead end. Best to use it topically for any results.

I have yet to see any significant breast growth from the programs offered by the folks who run that subreddit. Saponins (aka Emulsifiers)-
“Preliminary research has uncovered a link between emulsifier consumption and increased gut inflammation, food allergies, and risk of certain types of cancer”
https://www.healthline.com/health/food-n...ers#safety

I'll have more to say on all this asap. I felt obligated to step in to correct a false misrepresentation of fact.

Hopefully you'll find some useful information on the latest discoveries used here at BN (in this thread). Research starts on page 15-16. Start off with the most recent postings and work backwards if that helps, you'll find most of the recent pictures doing so. Good luck and happy growing. 

Here you can view my timeline:

Lotus BreastNexumTimeline
https://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=30988

Key in search terms: (at the bottom box of this page)

Estrogen receptors
HIIT (high intensity interval training)
Healthy Fats
Leptin
Thermogenesis

Aromatase
http://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=19581

Hrt(Pharmacokinetics)
http://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=23606

Anti-Androgens
http://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=17416

breast growing notes
http://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=24358

--- 9-25-2013
    I haven't shared a plan because I was still tweaking it, I had to see if it worked first, so here's what I used. My goal was to prove that a guy could grow bigger than B-cup*. In 12 months I never measured myself until a couple of weeks ago. I don't know why, but never felt the need until I found sfem's breast measuring guide. According to the table I'm a C-cup, 9 .75 on the right, 9.5 on the left. I've checked it several times just to make sure.


Starting Doses
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  PM -500 mg tab, 6 tabs total=3000mg (am, noon, pm)
  SP -450mg 4x a day  (am, noon, pm)
  PC -1/4 teaspoon (applied to chest and wrists) 2x a week
  Massage -whenever you can (5 min each side)
  Calcium - 600 mg 3x a day (am, noon, pm)
Revised Doses
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    PM 500 mg tab, 6 tabs total= 3000 mg (am, noon, pm)
    Spearmint caps -400 mg 3x(am, noon, pm)
    PC -1/4 teaspoon (applied to chest and wrists) 3x a week
    Calcium -600mg 3x a day (am, noon, pm)
    Massage 5 min same as above
   
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  Edit-  Please pay close attention to side effects/interactions, individual metabolism vary widely, combination therapy can have serious health events...as always consult w/your health care provider before starting any NBE program.

Hindsight.. starting @ 3000mg of pm was ridiculous and dangerous. A reasonable starting dose is 500mg to a 1,000 mg of PM (pueraria mirifica). PM is about a 1/4 percent strength of oral estradiol. When starting HRT (hormone replacement therapy) programs for male to female (mtf) transwomen most doctors will be very conservative (and for good reason) staring folks at 2mg to 4mg.

Edit (11-22-22) skipping to the current program called the "The Lotus Program" has helped many.

11-22-22 updated.

Continuing the research, there's a strategy in using vitamin D3 and calcium (and actual relatable science) together in the Lotus NBE program, along with MSM that's been thought out very carefully that I'll share asap. But this first, vitamin D3 actually increases IGF-1, so as we worry about not getting enough IGF-1 for breast growth you've been getting if you've followed my plan…or taking 5,000iu to 7,000iu of vitamin D3 per day. Which is perfectly safe limits to take within these amounts, period.

Vitamin D increases circulating IGF1 in adults: potential implication for the treatment of GH deficiency
Pietro Ameri et al. Eur J Endocrinol. 2013
Abstract

Objectives: Previous studies suggested that vitamin D modulates circulating IGF1. We investigated this effect in adults and its clinical relevance in the management of GH deficiency (GHD).

Design and methods: IGF1 levels were prospectively measured before and after 12 weeks of treatment with oral vitamin D3 (5000 or 7000 IU/week) vs no intervention in 39 subjects 61.9±7.9 years old. The frequency of IGF1 values ≥50th age- and sex-specific percentile in relation to vitamin D status, as determined by the concentration of 25-hydroxyvitamin D (25(OH)D), was retrospectively assessed in 69 GHD patients (57.4±16.6 years) on stable hormone replacement and with 25(OH)D and IGF1 concurrently measured.

Results: Treatment with 5000 and 7000 IU vitamin D3/week significantly raised 25(OH)D by 12.7±8.4 and 13.1±6.5 ng/ml respectively (both P<0.001 vs baseline). In the 7000 IU group, IGF1 levels also significantly increased by 31.3±36.7 ng/ml (P=0.01). Neither 25(OH)D nor IGF1 significantly varied in controls. IGF1 was ≥50th percentile more frequently in GHD patients with 25(OH)D levels ≥15 than <15 ng/ml(65.9 vs 40.0%, P<0.05). Logistic regression with adjustment for recombinant human GH (rhGH) dose, vitamin D supplements, gender, use of thyroid hormones, corticosteroids or estrogen/testosterone, and season revealed a significant positive association between ≥15 ng/ml 25(OH)D and IGF 1 ≥50th percentile (OR 4.4, 95% CI 1.0-18.8, P<0.05). A significant negative correlation between 25(OH)D concentrations and rhGH dose was found after correcting for age and IGF1 (β -0.042, P<0.01), but not after further adjusting for sex, thyroid, adrenal or gonadal replacement, and season (β -0.037, P=0.06).

Conclusions: Vitamin D increases circulating IGF1 in adults. As a result, a better vitamin D status may ease the achievement of normal IGF1 values in GHD.

The role of vitamin D3 in follicle development
https://ovarianresearch.biomedcentral.co...24-01454-9

Vitamin D regulates IGF1 concentrations in the liver, the main source of circulating IGF1

Pueraria mirifica @ 500-1500pm (daily) estrogenic, acts more like E1 (estrone) that initiates breast buds).
Progesterone cream- 1/4 teaspoon per breast (3-4 times per week, and only use after you've developed breast buds). If using prescription progesterone pills the dosage ranges between 100mg to 300mg. If I'm using progesterone as a topical application I'd only recommend 1 progesterone taken either orally or rectally.
MSM 1-3g per day. antioxidant, taking msm facilitates a pro-breast growth pathway called STAT5, it's a protein synthesizer, Meaning it helps raise growth hormone.
Vitamin D3 & Calcium, helps with breast growing. If you take Calcium you need V-D3 to become more biologically active. Source vitamin D3 with organic olive oil. 
Melatonin (dosage varies per person), taking this is going after REM and Deep sleep stages (@ body healing), and other things. 
Reishi extract- 2X per day (anti-androgen) follow manufacturers dosing guidelines though, the higher the polysaccharides the stronger anti-androgen. Like this one below, it's organic and 35% polysaccharides. 
Green Tea Extract - 2x per day @ 45% to 90% EGCG 100mg to 200mg capsules each taken 2x per day, ideally taken with Reishi. I prefer decaffeinated GTE (I drink coffee so I don't need the extra caffeine). I attached a picture as an example, though this product is expensive. I look for minimal additives when sourcing supplements (like no silica, silicone dioxide (which basically is the same as silica), maltodextrin, which stimulates insulin)

Technically, MSM stimulates the stat5 pathway which facilitates phosphorylation and the nuclear translocation and DNA binding...in other words it helps with breast growth. MSM also stimulates prolactin and enhances GH (growth hormone)lol. 

Additionally, there's no reason to take a break (e.g. 5/2 or 6/1) because DHT doesn't take a day off. Nor is there ANY reason to follow the cis-female menstrual cycle because cis-males don't have ovaries. Following the menstrual cycle is essentially running something like PM or estradiol for the 14 days followed by running PC (progesterone cream) for the remaining cycle stopping PC before the females next period (menstruation), it's pointless and not in the best interest of growing breasts on this forum. I used to promote doing the 5/2 cycle years ago to give receptors a chance to reset, I no longer support that theory.

I'll be adding my topical program and other supplements asap.
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[ahrism]

You should stop spamming “It hasn't been edited for over 10 years” on Reddit and Breastnexum and other mistruths about my “program” being unclear. If you bother to scroll down the page you'll see that the last update was on 11-22-2022 (which is 3 years ago and a far cry from 10 years ago you've stated ).

Hmm I see that now, I suppose then that this forum has a display bug? Apologies, I just looked at the timestamp that I circled in my screenshot above.

I’ve reviewed your subreddit and see a lot of my science postings and actual experiences being repeated and put in your own words. I’ve seen you mentioned you've spent over 400 hrs of research compiling NBE research, contrast that to my 12 years of proven success (with attached pictures).

I've NEVER asked for donations or charged a fee when speaking with people asking for help… throughout the past 12 years I've spoken with thousands of people offering help, support and love… with no agenda of profiting from others. So much for being a free site when you're making people feel obligated to donate (and charge $10.00 for clients... are you a licensed?) for speaking with you, because you put in 400+ hours of work, what a crock. I don't approve or authorize you (or anyone) to claim my research and knowledge as their own.

Lotus, theres no doubt that you are a gem to the NBE community, and you have absolutely furthered the research on this stuff. But you seem to fail to realize that I credit you in every single instance that I can. This is evident in the DHEA article I've posted. Note also that you did not discover DHEA. It's been used in the transgender community way before you started posting about it. Still who cares???? We are doing this to further the field of NBE, not fight over who is credited about it. And still, I credit you.

My site brings incredible value to people. I'm not going to tell some 19 year old girl to read through 700 pages of a breastnexus forum, when I can just tell her what she needs to know. The value I offer her is an immense time-savings. 

I do put substantial effort into NBE research myself. I'm extremely well versed in endocrinology. As I build my resource, I spend hundreds of hours validating everything I read. And when I validated some of your claims, they came out to be wrong. For example Red Reishi, to be used as an anti-androgen requires triterpenoids, but you solely focus on polysaccharides. Polysaccharides are required for the immune boosting benefits.

Btw, I introduced Aloe Vera in capsule form on breastnexum and our sister site Breastnexus years ago… And yet it shows up on NBE reddit using my research… which my research gets copied over there too. Guess what, Aloe Vera in capsule form turned out to be a dead end. Best to use it topically for any results.

Aloe vera is a substance that is promoted by SurferJoe, who is not "on that site." He is on THIS site, breastnexus, for 10 years like yourself.

Why do you feel that you need to be the only one who dictates what is used and what isn't? SurferJoe doesn't promote Aloe vera in capsule form, he promotes it in FREEZE DRIED form, and in massive amounts that are only possible by taking it as a raw powder.

This isn't a battle. Nobody is competing with each other. You might have "found" aloe vera (which I didn't know, but not surprised), but other people are allowed to improve upon it. Again, I didn't know that you "found" it but, if you are insistent on claiming the "research rights" for this, point me to the post and I'll happily credit you for it in my aloe vera article.

I have yet to see any significant breast growth from the programs offered by the folks who run that subreddit. Saponins (aka Emulsifiers)-
“Preliminary research has uncovered a link between emulsifier consumption and increased gut inflammation, food allergies, and risk of certain types of cancer”
https://www.healthline.com/health/food-n...ers#safety

That's okay that you haven't found growth from it, I can vouch for the fact that it does help with growth. Many of the women I work with directly attribute their growth to these products. In all my time working in the community, nobody has ever reported side effects like those listed in the link you've provided.

Again, SurferJoe promotes the idea of saponins, and I agree that I can't find much scientific info on how that would help. Nonetheless, Fenugreek and Shatavari have shown to be effective in the method that SurferJoe promotes them.

Having multiple efforts in NBE isn't bad at all, it's good. If everyone followed your method, then it would simply result in an echo chamber, and echo chambers are bad. We should take learnings from each community effort and work together. Not squabble over things like this. You should be happy that there are people finding success with other methods, even if you yourself didn't benefit from it. This is how we grow together.

Hopefully you'll find some useful information on the latest discoveries used here at BN (in this thread). Research starts on page 15-16. Start off with the most recent postings and work backwards if that helps, you'll find most of the recent pictures doing so. Good luck and happy growing. 

I've already read through 500+ pages of this thread over the last few years. And as I said, I had to validate a lot of your claims and your research, much of it I didn't agree with the interpretation. Also it's kind of a waste of time to read research from 10 years ago, especially when you often come to new conclusions 10 years later. Like how you first hated the idea of bovine ovary, but later on came around to liking it.

And I absolutely find these threads valuable. There's nothing new about your DHEA/Progesterone/Estrogen topical plan, I've known for a while now that E2 promotes IGF-1 sensitivity. But I absolutely enjoy seeing you and those close to you refine and hone these protocols, and hyper-target their efficacy. It's very exciting.

Also I like seeing that this team is finding new ways to use Red Clover, and when I get around to doing my Red Clover article, I absolutely will come here to check out how you've progressed with it. Of course I will also do my own scientific research to validate all of your claims, but I enjoy seeing the fruition of your TCP method, and I'm rooting for you entirely.

Also, you come across as extremely hostile about the /r/NBE community. This shouldn't be the case. There is no one-way/right-way to approach this, and everyone should see this as a learning opportunity. If you are adamant about being credited for Aloe Vera, then I'll talk to SurferJoe about making sure to credit you in his regimen.

Edit: I'm not sure whats going on with the insane amout of line breaks/white space. I've tried fixing it but it keeps coming back.

[Lotus]

you seem to fail to realize that I credit you in every single instance that I can. This is evident in the DHEA article I've posted.

I didn't fail to realize anything, I choose not to acknowledge it in the way you came into my backyard with your passive aggressive statements. I haven't taken a dump in your thread now have I?

My site brings incredible value to people. I'm not going to tell some 19 year old girl to read through 700 pages of a breastnexus forum, when I can just tell her what she needs to know. The value I offer her is an immense time-savings.

Keep telling yourself that. A few corrections to your sarcastic statement first- the site you referenced isn't Breastnexus, it's Breastnexum and it's 506 pages not 700. I'm sure you charged the 19 year old girl $10.00 (or has the price gone up?)... That's what predatory businesses of NBE do, congrats.

Why does there always have to be $$$ attached for free advice posted elsewhere, whatever answer you provided to a 19 yr old is most likely BS anyways. In essence, she could've posted the question here in our “free open forum” that anyone could've answered. There's a huge $10.00 savings for here. Boom, a better value than you offer.

Note also that you did not discover DHEA.

Where did I say discovered DHEA? Here's posts where I used the words discover and discovered:

https://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=17436&pid=219716&highlight=Discovered#pid219716

https://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=17436&pid=209919&highlight=Discovered#pid209919

https://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=11239&pid=198774&highlight=Discovered#pid198774

* I think I've helped others to discover breast research and the love I have for it.

* I made many connections (or discoveries) along the way... (maybe more on that later, because the rate of new ideas I posted was almost daily for a long time).

* see you think perhaps the same is true.

* there's always new pathways to discover

* Much of what I've seen posted on reddit NBE comes from this forum, some claiming they discovered or put the information together themselves.

https://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=17436&pid=219706&highlight=Discovered#pid219706

https://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=17436&pid=197612&highlight=Discovered#pid197612

https://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=17436&pid=195687&highlight=Discovered#pid195687

I do put substantial effort into NBE research myself. I'm extremely well versed in endocrinology. As I build my resource, I spend hundreds of hours validating everything I read. And when I validated some of your claims, they came out to be wrong. For example Red Reishi, to be used as an anti-androgen requires triterpenoids, but you solely focus on polysaccharides. Polysaccharides are required for the immune boosting benefits.

Omg, your statement is laughable. Like i said, I'll put up 12 years of my research compared to your few hundred hours. In fact let's do a comparison right now since you opened the door shall we?

Let's take 365 days times my 12 years of research which equates to 4380 days. Now let's take 4380 days by a small margin of lets say 3 hours per day devoted to research. Oh looky there… that totals 13,140 hours. And 3 hours per day is lowballing it.

Concerning triterpenoids, it's mentioned in my first page of my program and numerous other posts… the part that you failed to read, smh.

As I've pointed out before, a lot of manufacturers don't list Triterpenoids on their packaging, so the best practice is to use 
polysaccharides information supplied.

I was being nice by not saying your conjectures or methods are incorrect, but touché… yours all wrong anyways.

https://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=31791&pid=232245&highlight=triterpenoids#pid232245

https://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=17416&pid=224482&highlight=triterpenoids#pid224482

https://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=24358&pid=161256&highlight=triterpenoids#pid161256

https://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=17416&pid=131428&highlight=triterpenoids#pid131428

https://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=17416&pid=129492&highlight=triterpenoids#pid129492

So I managed to read the last 40 pages of this thread...

Is this the latest endorsed info from Lotus? Like, there's so much talk about HMB and keytones, and aloe vera, bovine ovary and a billion other things. But they aren't in this list dated 2022.
Is there no consolidated list of everything Lotus recommends? Like, peoples minds change, and something she was excited for in 2020 might not be the case today.

I really wish the original post (post #1) was edited to maintain the latest opinion of the user. As it is, that post was last edited in 2013…

Awww. I'm sorry to hear that. That's terrible.

I'm the admin of the NBE discord server (https://discord.com/invite/vXBdFpp7d8), related to the NBE sub reddit (https://reddit.com/r/nbe). I'm currently making a website (https://nbe.works) that will catalog a lot of the pioneering you've done, in addition to NBE information found everywhere else like on reddit and elsewhere.

I expect to have it done in like a month or so.
It would be nice to have you review it if you are ever in a place where you feel that's appropriate.

Hi ahrism, I'm not just fighting leukemia... there's other insidious diseases (one in particular) far worse than Leukemia. I plan on making a post to update folks of my absence the last few years.

If there's something specific like β-hydroxy β-methylbutyrate (HMB), suggested program updates or anything else please let me know. 

If you would've read the thread you would've found the answers. As sick as I am now battling two forms of cancers I alluded to (which you knew of one of them last year in this exchange) you have the nerve to come into my thread with your passive aggressive tone and want to go toe to toe with me. Shame on you, have you no morals. You definitely lack respect.

Have you even developed breasts of your own in order to give out advice?. If so, post pictures on this forum right here and now, let this forum see if you have the goods to back up your claims of being the new savior of breast growth.

Honestly I offered you help. But then I saw negative statements about myself and methods in your reddit. I have no hostile feelings towards reddit. My statement was directed at you on reddit. Guess what, you took the bait.

Be gone, I can't take you seriously, I have zero respect for you and you lack any credibility here. Btw, the extra spacing you experienced is reversed for special people who think highly of themselves.

Don't bother with a response.