[Lotus]

I'm sure I'll step on more toes here, (not my intent) as I've said before I'm on the same team. I think I've said before to keep your program simple. However, mine is more complex, and that's my choice. I'm certainly no endo, and I understand a fraction of what endocrinology is. What pushed me for more knowledge is people like Abi, Isabelle, and my dear Princess. And what was complex, I learned along the way.

Let me give an example of what some knowledge can do for your program, a week ago I stumbled over this study about the outward growth of the ductal system and progesterone causes side branching. So at first I'm like, wtf?, ok then, now I want to understand what I can do to influence it, seems simple enough right?.

Ok people, who's up for a little NBE science?

• Prolactin and progesterone may enhance ductal outgrowth by inducing ERα expression.
  

• Activation of ER-α causes elongation or horizontal growth of mammary duct cells. Progesterone receptor activation causes side-branching of mammary gland cells. Density, areolar gland development, and gland lactation development are caused by prolactin receptor activation.
  

Check pages 5 thru 9
Hormone Action in the Mammary Gland
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2982168/

Or along the way I find out about this statement made about pygeum,

Just an update, I've been trying to find Pygeum on it's own (I hate complex giant pills full of tiny amounts of other stuff thats mostly ineffective) but several of the more pure ones (Pygeum, SP) contain also Willowherb, in particular, Epilobium parviflorum.

Be warned, while it does also inhibit the same metabolite as SP to reduce DHT. It is ALSO an amaratose inhibitor which inhibits the conversion of testosterone to Estradiol in both men and women.

Which makes sense for a product being marketed to men with prostate problems due to excess testosterone. They want to block off the T, yes, but they don't want to increase the E.

A product containing an aromatase inhibitor is perfect for them.

So what info would you follow, the research that you've found on your own or Abi's?, I'd say both, it's your choice. I really don't understand all the fuss, we all had our own experimental phases (still do), seems we can't tell people to just keep it simple when we ourselves have done just the opposite.

I'm excited when someone wants to know that it takes more than popping a few supplements and sitting back and waiting for the results. If the solution of NBE was solved, then nobody would be here, so this is just the progression of it. And for those who thirst for knowledge, don't settle for the average!!!, keep plugging away!.