[Lotus]

Lotus, as regards oats, aren't they androgenic? I read that somewhere in older posts (from Isabelle maybe?). I still eat them very often.

More from the zinc, and as Isabelle posted anything over 80 mg of zinc turns into androgens,

You'd have to eat quite a bit of oats for that to happen,

http://www.dietandfitnesstoday.com/zinc-in-oats.php

Some herbs are used for their effects on other than the main four NBE functions:
Oats: phyto-estrogen, decreases SHBG, source of zinc and iron, source of vitamins B6 and E, amino acids, orthosilicic acid.
Maca: increases DHEA.

In a list like this, the effects of an herb are expressed in terms of the functions, rather than in tangible NBE results. Results are often dependent on a combination of herbs, like the net effect of oats and flax on SHBG, which can cancel each other. Results depend on doses too: zinc helps in growth and swelling above 12 mg. Above 35 mg, it decreases prolactin, and above 80 mg, it becomes an androgen.

For the average bio-female which produce .5 mg of testosterone daily or about 12x less then bio-males.