20-03-2015, 01:01 AM
Let's step back a bit, people. I think there isn't a real argument here. Someone posted pictures as a newbie, and asked for advice. My warning was to the effect that once you start growing breasts, there was a very real possibility that you can go on to full transition. This is a fact, borne out by our own experience!
My opinion is that once you start growing breasts with NBE, even if you are only curious, there is good possibility that success may encourage you to go further until transition is inevitable. The method that gives most success, as far as I can see, is PM.
Whatever the mechanism, I think there are plenty of examples on this forum, including people who did not think they were transsexual until they took PM, for this possibility to be self-evident.
I think, therefore, when someone comes on here with the idea of growing breasts, it is only fair to alert them of that possibility, don't you? I think it would be irresponsible not to.
We don't need to argue about whether PM causes it, or just enables someone who is that way inclined to see the possibilities.
A good analogy is with recreational drugs. They are easier to avoid taking in the first place than to quit after an appreciation of them develops. Think alcohol, tobacco, heroin, crystal meth. You could argue that, much as most of us can become addicted to drugs having been exposed to them, but not otherwise, those of us with gender dysphoria can become addicted to success in breast growing and the idea of becoming a woman intensifies.
And there are two aspects to drug dependency; the physiological and the psychological. I am hooked on PM in both ways. As my weight loss continues, and I see a more feminine body in the mirror, I can really see the temptation to go further on a personal basis. I can't give it up because I can't go back to my old mental health issues; but the feminisation plays to my dysphoria.
As I said earlier, if PM had been around when I was in my 20s, there is a very high probability that I would have taken the same route as Sarah. I was a lot slimmer and better looking then, for one thing! Quite likely, I would have lived a life free of the anxieties and depression that dogged me for the last 20 years prior to 2011, when I found PM. However I would not then have had my wonderful children. Freezing sperm is all very well, but IVF isn't 100% successful, and the ability to find a life partner willing to be inseminated when I was a woman might not have been easy. Indeed, at that stage, I may well have found a male partner.
So. Given an appropriate time machine, would I go back and do it differently? No, of course not. Because, despite the suffering I have had to deal with, I have had the joy of my wife and two wonderful children. Having known and loved them, how could I erase their existence?
Therefore, if we simply encourage all newcomers to grow breasts without warning them of the possibility of their eventual transition, they would not have the opportunity to decide that perhaps they would rather try have a conventional family life, with all its upsides and downsides. Informed choices.
B.
My opinion is that once you start growing breasts with NBE, even if you are only curious, there is good possibility that success may encourage you to go further until transition is inevitable. The method that gives most success, as far as I can see, is PM.
Whatever the mechanism, I think there are plenty of examples on this forum, including people who did not think they were transsexual until they took PM, for this possibility to be self-evident.
I think, therefore, when someone comes on here with the idea of growing breasts, it is only fair to alert them of that possibility, don't you? I think it would be irresponsible not to.
We don't need to argue about whether PM causes it, or just enables someone who is that way inclined to see the possibilities.
A good analogy is with recreational drugs. They are easier to avoid taking in the first place than to quit after an appreciation of them develops. Think alcohol, tobacco, heroin, crystal meth. You could argue that, much as most of us can become addicted to drugs having been exposed to them, but not otherwise, those of us with gender dysphoria can become addicted to success in breast growing and the idea of becoming a woman intensifies.
And there are two aspects to drug dependency; the physiological and the psychological. I am hooked on PM in both ways. As my weight loss continues, and I see a more feminine body in the mirror, I can really see the temptation to go further on a personal basis. I can't give it up because I can't go back to my old mental health issues; but the feminisation plays to my dysphoria.
As I said earlier, if PM had been around when I was in my 20s, there is a very high probability that I would have taken the same route as Sarah. I was a lot slimmer and better looking then, for one thing! Quite likely, I would have lived a life free of the anxieties and depression that dogged me for the last 20 years prior to 2011, when I found PM. However I would not then have had my wonderful children. Freezing sperm is all very well, but IVF isn't 100% successful, and the ability to find a life partner willing to be inseminated when I was a woman might not have been easy. Indeed, at that stage, I may well have found a male partner.
So. Given an appropriate time machine, would I go back and do it differently? No, of course not. Because, despite the suffering I have had to deal with, I have had the joy of my wife and two wonderful children. Having known and loved them, how could I erase their existence?
Therefore, if we simply encourage all newcomers to grow breasts without warning them of the possibility of their eventual transition, they would not have the opportunity to decide that perhaps they would rather try have a conventional family life, with all its upsides and downsides. Informed choices.
B.