(15-09-2014, 03:41 PM)Lotus Wrote: What's irritating is that fact you want someone else to be your search engine, I never said Isabelle, abi, tibetan, had anecdotal evidence. What I said was they did PURE research, but to prove a point I found these statements about Reishi in a basic search using the BN search option.

In science the onus of proof is on the maker of the claim. You're making the claim that Reishi is undoubtedly an effective 5-AR inhibitor in humans, yet have provided no human data or human anecdotes, and in the face of disturbingly short half-life data in rats.

Your latest anecdotes are just silly. Your Tibetan quote is the one I found earlier, and it involved taking Reishi with a stack of anti-androgens including pygeum so we have no evidence that the Reishi did anything. Your Abi quote just states that she wished she'd had it when she needed a 5-AR blocker. She never even took it! It makes you look foolish when you post things that don't help your case.

If you want to claim that Reishi is a good human 5-AR inhibitor, you need to provide a good anecdote in which someone used it to treat DHT symptoms. Otherwise, you're in the realm of faith and not science.

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(15-09-2014, 04:56 AM)Candace Wrote:

(14-09-2014, 02:57 AM)Lotus Wrote:

(13-09-2014, 10:32 PM)Candace Wrote: That says green tea inhibits 5-AR. There's nothing in the paper about peony inhibiting 5-AR.

Come on, you can find it, the info is out there.......

I doubt it. You would have shared it if it existed. White peony inhibiting 5-AR appears to be a myth resulting from people misunderstanding the abstract of the paper you cited.

Of course I have it, no myth here, the misunderstanding is entirely yours!!, or do I need to explain this part to you.

Main content: Paeoniflorin,C23H28O10 (3.3%~9.4); paeonol,C9H10O3 (0.0283%); benzoylpaeoniflorin, C30H32O12 (0.04%).

Other Consituents:albiforin (0.06%~0.07%); culapedungin; gallotannin; oxypaeoniflorin; paeoni-florigenone (0.04%); oxgpaeonigflorin (0.12%~0.21%); gallotcnnin; benzoic acid (1.07%);beta-sitosterol; gallic acid;ether gallic acid; D-catechin; palbinone;beta-pailactone; galloylpaeoniflorin; daucosterol; etc.
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Phytochemicals of White Poeny Root:

Paeoniflorin; Albiflorin; Oxypaeoniflorin; Paeonin; Benzoylpaeoniflorin; Hydroxypaeoniflorin; Galloylpaeoniflorin; Lactoflorin; Paeonilactone A, B, C; beta-sitosterol; Daucosterol; Z-1s, 5R-beta-pinen-10-yl-beta-vicianoside; 1, 2, 3, 6-tetra-O-galloyl-beta-D-glucose; 1, 2, 3, 4, 6-penta-O-galloyl-beta-D-glucose; Catechin; Benzoic acid; Paeonol.

Which specific chemicals are you referring to? And for each of them, how much is in peony extract, what is the dose-response relationship for blood levels, what is the IC50 for 5-AR, and what is the half-life in the body? Using that information, enlighten us as to what dose would be required to be useful in lowering DHT. If you can't do this, please retract your claim that peony extract is a practical 5-AR inhibitor. We shouldn't have to take your word for it.