[Lenneth]

Hi Lotus, I can not speak for all "Non Trans Men" but only for myself. I for one, never thought there was a conspiracy, only about 3 -5 people who run both sides of the spectrum.

I liken the Full Trans Bio Males to a new Non Smoker. They used to enjoy being a man, but for whatever reason, choose to go full trans. I really don't have a problem other than now is seems a very few of them are very contentious of the guys who, at present or in the future, do not want to go full trans. Like a smoker who quit smoking, now cant put up with anyone who still does.

That is quite a good Analogy.

As far as a full blown Bio Female, there is only 1 or 2 that comes to my mind. I have no working theory other than it might suggest they are simply intolerant of the Male Spectrum on the other side of the board. But, with a few of the Full Trans Men, whom they may of in their mind allied with.

I have encoutered a few like that before on other forums (& IRL), and only 1 here.

Some women, for instance my wife, have adopted what I call the male persona. By that I mean, my wife wears, almost exclusively jeans, slacks and blouses that a male could wear if he didn't mind the fact it buttons from the opposite side. Also, in the last 10 - 15 yrs has also adopted a very short hairdo. We have all seen this get more and more gender bending on the side of Bio Women.

But, for some reason, if us men adopt longer hair, like silky undergarments, or wanna wear skirts, kilts and the such.... Boy, does the proverbial stuff hit the fan. Thank God, my wife accepts to a certain degree my desire for feminine undergarments. She now supports the fact that I should wear a bra when I want. But still, she dresses the way I just described.

I have no shortage of female relitives that are like that but also have "0" tolerance for any microscopic hint of femininity in genetic males (many are T.E.R.F's), makes me want to puke quite often.

No, I really don't think it a Trans-Conspiracy, but rather what I refer to as "Militant Millie's" who is bent on throwing monkey wrench's or instead of walking away, they must stir the pot and cause problems.

That is why now I am hopeful that this will calm down some since some of us Non Trans Men have a safe zone where our supporters, friends and like minded persons can hopefully get away from the few who cant leave well enough alone.

For that, I must thank you and Eve for even entertaining my original concept let alone implementing it.

I don't think any segregation will help much less solve that kind of problem, it is a bit like if your dog took a dump on the floor and all you do is cover it with a paper towel/plastic sheet, the problem is still there, and eventually someone will step in it & track it around.