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And what you stated is as interesting to me as what I would EVER propose we discuss. In some ways, I wished all I wanted is to be an androgynous person, hope I am not jumping the gun on how you feel, and not want to dress up because you don't have to worry quite as much for being caught. At least that is what I am thinking.

I've been thinking about what you said and I'm curious by what you mean when you say "you wish all you wanted is to be an androgynous person." Back when you proposed the idea of this subforum, I got the impression you are a male who wants breasts but not to transition in any way. Are you talking about wanting to crossdress openly or something else?

As far as wanting to appear androgynous and the like, I think it all comes down to much of my nature either being innately self-regulating or has adapted to the point of practically being self-regulating. For me, crossdressing is an interest distinct for pushing the envelope and testing new waters, but it is still confined to boundaries such as budget restrictions and introverted traits. The same logic applies to NBE. I have no problem with removing my top for a medical exam, but you won't ever see me flaunting a bikini top to a public pool.

Getting laser treatments for my facial hair was about practically as much as my desire to achieve the androgynous. I hate dealing with shaving my facial hair (i.e. razor cuts, buying more and more shaving tools) as well as the feel of hair on my face. Also, all of the jobs I have had required males to be clean-shaven.

Long before I knew about NBE, I wanted to find an effective way to taper down my libido. PM is very good at that along with growing boobs.

Ultimately, my point is the desire for an androgynous appearance isn't arbitrary or the result of some "switch" in my brain, but the culmination of multiple considerations and desires.