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not sure you could do one without the other :/ not with the usual herbals at least.

Perhaps at a lower dose dcdee would have some success without overdoing it so to speak? At lower doses I find herbs knock off the unconscious/spontaneous aspects of my libido, thereby limiting it to the realm of conscious mind. Another way to look at it is your appetite. Imagine not feeling hungry until you start making a meal and consuming the food. You then realize how hungry you are and how good food tastes.