[Lotus]

Lotus - you rock! Kit, I know you said you've been lurking so I imagine you'll appreciate the hundreds, no probably thousands, of hours of research that Lotus' post to you represents in boiled down form. We are a lucky group of souls!

Ps - Lotus, what is "authentic vs non-authentic PM?

Lol, thanks Marcy-(you a kind soul) digging that,

Yeah well, call (or paint) me crazy but that program works, and I'll tell you why. My blood tests in October revealed 50 ng/dL of total Testoerone and 550 pg/mL estradiol, that was from being on 8 mg E2 (estradiol valerate) and .5 mg of dustasteride previously.

Then, I went on Pharma (Teva) estradiol (E2) @ 2mg per day and 50 mg spirolactone. Crazy but true, my Estradiol increased 36% to 842 oh/mL.....that's 77% higher then the recommened amount (ref. range of 190pg/mL).

Testosterone fell 46% to 29 ng/dL (from 55 ng/dL)......and a 1.12 % free T and 26% bioavailable testosterone (3.7 ng/dL... refernce range-110-575 ng/dL). In other words, I destroyed my (T).

What did I do differently?, I was drinking green tea/ & coffee...4-5 cups and added 2-3 naval oranges, sliced lemon wedges in filtered water, 4-5 cups daily. Yeah lol, expect more potty breaks. So this means that I took less Pharma E2 (6 mg to be correct) and even less Pharma anti-androgen (spiro).

The end result is, that with the addition of green tea, (which I forget to say, green tea acts more like Spiro) oranges and lemon (which block the bio-synthesis of androgens in the ezyme CYP17).......I gotta say, that find of green tea & certain fruits inhibiting DHT for use in NBE, was a Grammy or Oscar find worthy, lmao.

These results where quite by accident truth be told, I was just trying to be healthier, when I got my results back I did two things, called my doc to reassure her I've stuck to the plan ( which I don't want to jeopardize) and reseached these ingredients, sure enough....they upregulated E and down regulate T. Go figure.

Ok authentic PM being origanal artifact (original study) clinically proven to contain original miro-& deoxymiroestrol. Which my calculations, its (dexymiroestrol) at .5 mg of E2, which is a dose more likely to be @ 1000mg of PM (because of deoxymiroestrol being 10x stronger of Miroestrol). I could be wrong on the calculations, but all the research amounts are based on Miroestrol, and deoxymiroestrol is not calculated.


Phew.....my head is spinning.

Sorry kit, I don't want to ruin your thread.