21-02-2016, 09:23 AM
Thanks all for your kind responses! I am so glad I decided to join. It really feels great to be able to talk about all this; where I am there's really not many options for who to turn to for advice on this topic.
As I mentioned, I stopped because I got scared of something being wrong with the rapid onset of so many changes. I am well aware of that breasts are not meant to be grown overnight, but, rather, at a slow, steady pace. After stopping, however, I didn't stop reading and researching; I wanted to continue, but only after being sure that I could do so safely. Around November, I came across some threads where they mentioned having small amounts of fluid come out of their nipples as an effect after being some months into their programs, so at least now I knew that someone else had encountered the same thing. After that, and after some more reading as well, I decided to start once again; from scratch, of course, as nearly everything I had progressed had reverted during my hiatus.
Ohh, I did not really know about astaxanthin being such a strong DHT blocker. I have seen it several times on the shelves at the pharmacy section when I go get groceries, so I assumed it wouldn't help me much in what I needed for my program; in the past I have tried Fenugreek, which is also on the pharmacy shelves, and all I accomplished was to smell like I had had hotcakes and I had spilled the honey all over myself, everyday, and even weeks after I had stopped it!
Actually I had seen posts on those positive effects from PM and RC somewhere, hence I decided to add them to my program.
Also, Julie's and Marcy's posts have kind of confirmed the thoughts I had been having on my PM intake being too high, so I have decided to lower it to 4x500mg. I am also worried about the possibility of my WP intake being too low, as, since it was a replacement for the SP in my program, it is the only thing I am taking to keep DHT at bay.
Going back to astaxanthin, though! Now knowing that it is such a powerful AA, would it be a good idea to try adding it to my program/replacing WP with it? I see that its main effects are that of an anti-oxidant, but that it has its strong DHT-blocking properties as a side-effect. I am really interested in blocking as much DHT as possible, as I know that it only spells disaster on anyone's body, and destroys all efforts for anyone pursuing NBE.
Once again, thank you all for your warm welcome!
(20-02-2016, 01:44 PM)MarcyAno Wrote: Welcome kit. You're smart to join and become a poster. There is so much community here and you've been at it a long time by yourself. There is lots of good SP info on the site. While it may not be the go to AA anymore, there are still lots of folks using it. The quality of the brand matters a lot IMO. Also, what works for you can easily be different than what works for someone else.
I'm curious about what motivated you to start up again? Btw, I agree with Julie, that is a lot of PM.
As I mentioned, I stopped because I got scared of something being wrong with the rapid onset of so many changes. I am well aware of that breasts are not meant to be grown overnight, but, rather, at a slow, steady pace. After stopping, however, I didn't stop reading and researching; I wanted to continue, but only after being sure that I could do so safely. Around November, I came across some threads where they mentioned having small amounts of fluid come out of their nipples as an effect after being some months into their programs, so at least now I knew that someone else had encountered the same thing. After that, and after some more reading as well, I decided to start once again; from scratch, of course, as nearly everything I had progressed had reverted during my hiatus.
(20-02-2016, 11:52 PM)Lotus Wrote: Welcome kit, nice intro.
Scientific evidence revealed SP to inhibit DHT in the prostate @ 32%. As an example, Pharma strength (dustasteride is at 94%, Finasteride about 89%). Reishi is about 88%. A new anti-androgen identified is astaxanthin, which demonstrated an inhibition of DHT @ 99%.
PM (authentic), green tea, white peony, progesterone cream, lemons (sliced w/6-8 cups of filtered water daily) & 1-2 oranges daily if possible (both inhibit DHT), astaxanthin are an equivalent to an hrt plan.
It would be a close comparison to taking E2 (2 mg), finasteride (5 mg), in my opinion FWIW.
Ohh, I did not really know about astaxanthin being such a strong DHT blocker. I have seen it several times on the shelves at the pharmacy section when I go get groceries, so I assumed it wouldn't help me much in what I needed for my program; in the past I have tried Fenugreek, which is also on the pharmacy shelves, and all I accomplished was to smell like I had had hotcakes and I had spilled the honey all over myself, everyday, and even weeks after I had stopped it!
(21-02-2016, 03:40 AM)Lotus Wrote: Kit,
Red clover with PM makes perfect sense. Red clover loves stimulating estrogen receptor alpha (ERa, the boob growth receptor). PM targets more estrogen receptor beta (ERb , the anti proliferative receptor, helps prevent breast cancer, which loves ER-a).
White peony inhibits (type I) 5 alpha reductase, upregulates aromatase (testosterone converted to estrogen) a 2-3 fold effect (30 percent increase), sufficient. I like it for its anti-oxidant and anti-inflammatory properties, which WP reduces the inflammatory response of IL-6 (interleukin 6) a direct mediator of inflammation, many other benefits (blood purifier) too.
The other things mentioned could fit well for you. Good luck
Actually I had seen posts on those positive effects from PM and RC somewhere, hence I decided to add them to my program.
Also, Julie's and Marcy's posts have kind of confirmed the thoughts I had been having on my PM intake being too high, so I have decided to lower it to 4x500mg. I am also worried about the possibility of my WP intake being too low, as, since it was a replacement for the SP in my program, it is the only thing I am taking to keep DHT at bay.
Going back to astaxanthin, though! Now knowing that it is such a powerful AA, would it be a good idea to try adding it to my program/replacing WP with it? I see that its main effects are that of an anti-oxidant, but that it has its strong DHT-blocking properties as a side-effect. I am really interested in blocking as much DHT as possible, as I know that it only spells disaster on anyone's body, and destroys all efforts for anyone pursuing NBE.
Once again, thank you all for your warm welcome!