(08-09-2016, 08:35 PM)rachel-rache Wrote: Is HOPS (8-pin) here different than hops? Also, in Lotus's post of choosing one of each, how come there is no PM mentioned as one of the estrogens. Isn't it really strong? Thanks

8-pin ( known as " Prenylnaringenin " ) is a flavonoid.......a phytoestrogen in HOPS. In relation to PM, dexoymiroestriol (in PM) has been identified as stronger than HOPS in a few studies, (probably stronger at ER-a over ER-b), I believe we have posted a study or two about it though, still needs verifying.

As mentioned, HOPs is 70x stronger in ER-b (beta) binding than estradiol....