[Heaven's Night]

Hi ...has anyone gained any substantial results on a program that does not have pm .... I mean only fenugreek spearmint or green tea coupled with good massaging ....I have started  similar kind of program ...guys pls come forward with suggestions or progress etc ...it would be a real encouragement for a newbie like me

Well you've read my thread? So far no PM, but going to give it a shot soon. One year in and I'm certainly not flat, even after taking a break from Noogle. From what I've gathered, reading here and my experience, you can definitely grow without PM but its evident that PM seems to be more efficient.