07-02-2023, 01:27 AM
I am posting on this only because no one else has offered any help.
You are definitely taking health risks by doing this.
Most of us do not want to face that and go ahead and experiment on ourselves, because we want it so badly.
I have taken herbs on and off for at least 20 years. I would get some growth and then worry about "showing" and I would stop.
Then I would do it again, over and over. I can offer a couple of thoughts.
PM works, it is the strongest, supposedly but I found that Fenugreek and Fennel worked very well for me... Red Clover too.
I would take these individually or in combination, at different times without any real plan. Just using a shotgun approach.
My thinking is that it is best to start slowly and work up. Start with only one herb, say 250mg/day and try that for a week, then bump it up to 500mg and so on.
If the dose is too high, you will lose the ability to achieve an erection. Back off if this is a concern. So if you started with 1000mg a day, you would have no idea how much is too much. You would have to wait a few days or weeks until you were functional again and this time start with a lower dose. It's just easier to start low and build up. Actually, it is quicker in the long run.
Growth will be slow, so you are not going to suddenly wake up with tits one day. You can stop if you decide to but what you have will not go away. I don't think you will continue to grow very much after stopping the herbs. It's different with Bovine Ovary, where you can pass a point-of-no-return and permanently alter your hormone balance and it cannot be reversed. I may be in this condition as a result of my very recent use of BO. Only the future will reveal if I have gone too far.
I used to get very sore hip joints with accompanying leg pain and basically what seemed like arthritis throughout my body and especially in my hands. You will loose muscle mass and strength, and your hair may get softer and silkier.
It seemed that the herbs made me feel more and more feminine, as if it was a direct effect of the herb. The more herbs I took, the more I wanted to dress and use makeup... stuff like that. This may have all been in my head as opposed to any direct effect of the phytoestrogens.
Interesting tid-bit: I seem to remember that consuming 16oz of soy milk daily is equivalent to the Estrogen in one daily birth control pill. I have no evidence to quote though.
Best of luck,
Karen
You are definitely taking health risks by doing this.
Most of us do not want to face that and go ahead and experiment on ourselves, because we want it so badly.
I have taken herbs on and off for at least 20 years. I would get some growth and then worry about "showing" and I would stop.
Then I would do it again, over and over. I can offer a couple of thoughts.
PM works, it is the strongest, supposedly but I found that Fenugreek and Fennel worked very well for me... Red Clover too.
I would take these individually or in combination, at different times without any real plan. Just using a shotgun approach.
My thinking is that it is best to start slowly and work up. Start with only one herb, say 250mg/day and try that for a week, then bump it up to 500mg and so on.
If the dose is too high, you will lose the ability to achieve an erection. Back off if this is a concern. So if you started with 1000mg a day, you would have no idea how much is too much. You would have to wait a few days or weeks until you were functional again and this time start with a lower dose. It's just easier to start low and build up. Actually, it is quicker in the long run.
Growth will be slow, so you are not going to suddenly wake up with tits one day. You can stop if you decide to but what you have will not go away. I don't think you will continue to grow very much after stopping the herbs. It's different with Bovine Ovary, where you can pass a point-of-no-return and permanently alter your hormone balance and it cannot be reversed. I may be in this condition as a result of my very recent use of BO. Only the future will reveal if I have gone too far.
I used to get very sore hip joints with accompanying leg pain and basically what seemed like arthritis throughout my body and especially in my hands. You will loose muscle mass and strength, and your hair may get softer and silkier.
It seemed that the herbs made me feel more and more feminine, as if it was a direct effect of the herb. The more herbs I took, the more I wanted to dress and use makeup... stuff like that. This may have all been in my head as opposed to any direct effect of the phytoestrogens.
Interesting tid-bit: I seem to remember that consuming 16oz of soy milk daily is equivalent to the Estrogen in one daily birth control pill. I have no evidence to quote though.
Best of luck,
Karen