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HRT is not "lethal" and herb stuff is not "less lethal" than HRT. Which kind of HRT did you take? Bioidentical estrogen taken transdermally or as injection does not elevate blood clotting factors more than any woman who has naturally high E levels. Orally taken it does as that passes through  liver metabolism and synthetic estrogens are frigging poison compared to the real stuff. Just saying because I don't like these HRT = dangerous af myths being repeated.

Btw, only thing that ever gave me possible DVT symptoms was high dose of PM, never conventional HRT.

It can't be easily stopped, I would go totally insane and my body would function totally wrong if I stopped HRT. But with BO, I think there's something very strange it does because even when on HRT, it does some kind of weird balancing thing that nothing else seems to do. I have no idea what exactly does it, but its very obvious. I noticed it right away back when I started and first few weeks were downright euphoric. I'm not planning on ever stopping taking it if I can, just go on much lower maintenance dose at some point.

The enigmatic point of no return keeps on being repeated again and again... I know something changed around three months in for me, as it everything started to work much faster and much better, similar to how every time I've went up with my dose, body changes have become more rapid. My dose progression was like this: 400mg --> 950mg --> 750mg --> 1000mg --> 1500mg. When I was on lower dose, my breast growth did slow down but not stop, but each time I've bumped it up, so has my growth wnt faster and it appears that the pace it happens on stays the same as long as I keep taking the same dose. 1500mg per day has been said to be the optimal dose and I tend to believe that, I don't know if going even higher would give even better growth but I wouldn't try overdoing this, or anything else either as balance in all things seems to be the key. Interestingly my breast growth just keeps on going and its mostly been quite stable, never gone to a total halt for a very long time now.

I think there is something to this weird stuff about BO. Too many things repeated many times before keep on matching for it to not be so.

Yes, the options today for HRT are much safer than they were 20 or 25 years ago. I was in 8 mg estradiol taken orally and spironolactone. 

I didn’t mean to offend anyone by my use of hyperbole, my point is that I have a history of a DVT and being on a program that can exacerbate the conditions is foolish.

Yes, anything, if abused is lethal. Just read about the fools on TikTok with their challenges. Sure…water can be lethal.

Also, I agree about balance. By itself or with an AA, I found that for me 2000mg is the sweet spot. Being off it now awhile, I’m itching to start back, but at a low dose, but I have a bad record of falling back into the regimen.

BO does something really weird. It calms, perhaps a bit of euphoria, but when I’m off it, cranky, moody, headaches, and a feeling of being off balance. 

For me it was about 3 to 4 months in that things seemed to change for me. Maybe that’s a line for some where BO begins to take hold and take control. Fully? Probably not, but a starting point? A point where going back gets more difficult to more forward you go? 

I don’t know…I just know my own experience and can only speak on that.