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Ok so main three routes for what to do with estrogen(ic effects) are purearia mirifica, bovine ovary(if it works for you) and conventional HRT being obviously the best. All others are quite mild but can still work, typically slower and not to the extent the best stuff does. Also HRT is the only real way to have the whole deal, have it "fast" and so on. Bovine ovaries can do absolute magic if you're one of those to whom it works. There's a lot of debate why its like this, seemingly random who benefits, I can give my ideas on why, but that's definitely something to look into. I would advice against going on insanely high doses though, with anything and everything. These things can be overdone badly and end up to ER...

So number one thing is estrogen or an estrogen mimic.

Number two is to curb your testosterone and DHT in particular because that is the boob killer, the feminisation killer, Red Reishi I think is the best natural DHT blocker. But do get something that deals with free testosterone also, T is your number one enemy in this. Keep in mind that this WILL effect your function downstairs.

Then you might want something to boost the effects of the above and with that there's plenty of choice, I advocate for the MSM + vitamin D3 combination because that is proven to work and its easy to get. Then for keeping your HGH going, GABA is the way, also cheap and easy to get and it also elevates prolactin. Which brings me to the last point, do not overlook importance of prolactin on breast growth like most people seem to do. Its easy to boost with supplements and it might help tremendously, also don't worry about lactation, most people don't have easy time making that happen.

You know, I spent nearly a year reading and learning stuff before I jumped on the herbal NBE train because I needed to learn everything and anything about all of it. I still some times find new bits of information here. It is overwhelming, but just take your time and keep digging. Lotus has some amazing threads full of good information diving deep into the details so that's a good start. I have had amazing success on combining conventional HRT with bunch of NBE ideas which I lay out in my thread, most of the time I'm not talking about how and why, but rather about what works and what doesn't. There's a reason why I keep repeating certain things over and over. Then there's Stevenator who has got amazing body changes happen too and you should check it out... And who else is active right now and getting there, tomi66 is doing great on bovine ovary program.... You'll get into it, just take your time.

Ok, so I can easily obtain the MSM and I already take vitamine D3 Other than that I can find everything at Holland & Barrett, except PM and BO, besides less-than-ideal sources. So I came up with this:

• Red Reishi 500 mg x2 (1000mg per dag)
  
• Red Clover: 430 x 3 (1290 mg per day)
  
• MSM 750 x 3 (2250 mg per dag)
  
• Fennel 250 x 6 (1500 mg per day)
  or
  
• Fenugreek 610 x 5 (3050 mg per day)
  

How does this look? I took the dosage of what Holland & Barrett recommends, but I plan on building up to the full recommended dosage over the span of at least a month to see if I experience any negative effects.