27-10-2025, 12:09 PM
I was in no way defending that type of behavior. Nor was I attacking you. I was simply stating that laying blame at men's feet at large is as disgusting as that Gillette commercial from a few years ago. Yes, disgusting and abusive behavior is wrong and, well, disgusting. From anyone to anyone. Full stop.
Having said that, I am in no more control over any other human being's actions than I am yours. I.e. None, as it should be. So the notion of a gender policing its own for bad behavior doesn't wash with me. You want to blame someone? Blame the individuals and move on. They're the only ones in control of their behavior. So instead of saying that the problem is largely a men's problem, say that it's a problem with abusive individuals. As far as policing that behavior, that's where the relevant authorities come in. Be they mods or the actual police.
As for the relevancy of gender and sexual identity, well, we're discussing sexual traits and attraction. It's the root of the discussion. Because we are attracted to those traits, yet there is a line. It's the difference between observing a trait you find attractive and leering, cat-calling, etc. If a woman can look at, say, Chris Hemsworth and appreciate his physique then it's no more wrong for a man to look at a woman and appreciate hers. Again, there's a line and most people know where that is. Blame the individuals who don't instead of the gender at large.
Having said that, I am in no more control over any other human being's actions than I am yours. I.e. None, as it should be. So the notion of a gender policing its own for bad behavior doesn't wash with me. You want to blame someone? Blame the individuals and move on. They're the only ones in control of their behavior. So instead of saying that the problem is largely a men's problem, say that it's a problem with abusive individuals. As far as policing that behavior, that's where the relevant authorities come in. Be they mods or the actual police.
As for the relevancy of gender and sexual identity, well, we're discussing sexual traits and attraction. It's the root of the discussion. Because we are attracted to those traits, yet there is a line. It's the difference between observing a trait you find attractive and leering, cat-calling, etc. If a woman can look at, say, Chris Hemsworth and appreciate his physique then it's no more wrong for a man to look at a woman and appreciate hers. Again, there's a line and most people know where that is. Blame the individuals who don't instead of the gender at large.