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Flat2fem Program
May 18 2007 at 8:30 PM Alice (Login Roundmoon)
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Hi all, first time poster, i have started the flat2fem program and am wondering if anybody here has had any experience with it. From what i read it's mostly posted here anyway, Any luck???
I started on May 1st, and had a small knot below both breasts for a week and since then it's gone away, no tingles, pain, itchy, nothing. Do i need to increase my dosages by a pill each, or is that the way it works? I massage 4x daily and put yam extract on morning and night before bed. My routine is..
6 saw palmetto 600mg
3 Clover Blossom 375mg
3 Fenugreek 600mg
yam extract morn and night
gaba nightly (i'm old) 500mg
is this enough, or should i raise the dosage,maybe add wild yam capsules?
Thanks for any advice in advance,
Alice
Author Reply
Fennel Fairy
(no login) Re: Flat2fem Program May 18 2007, 8:49 PM
Did you atart whis this dosage on may 1:st or have you ramped up to this amount over the past two weeks? You can try to up the dose of Fenugreek to about 3000 mg a day and add some fennel.
stefanie
(Login stefanie_ss) Re: Flat2fem Program May 19 2007, 1:06 AM
how long have you been on this program?
Alice
(Login Roundmoon) Response and Thank You May 19 2007, 4:03 PM
I started on may 1st, and have not changed anything since i rted, just the listed items. I will ramp up the fennel and see if this changes anything. a friend says i should ramp up the yam and dong quai, problem is, seems everybody has a different herb they want me to ramp up on!!! ahahahahahaha
i tried hormones and they just scare the hell out of me, espcially if you read the warnings and all.
Thank You for your responses, i will take all into concideration, and besides i need to go to the store anyway.
Thanks,
Alice
stefanie
(Login stefanie_ss) Re: Flat2fem Program May 19 2007, 4:07 PM
it's been just a little over two weeks. be patient. but, i would eliminate the dong quai, ramp up fenugreek or fennel and get some progesterone cream to massage directly on your breasts. btw, are you male or female
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stefanie
(Login stefanie_ss) Re: Flat2fem Program May 19 2007, 4:13 PM
never mind. i've read your posts....sorry
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Alice
(Login Roundmoon) Thanks again!! May 19 2007, 4:14 PM
I am a male,pre-op TS, i have lived as a female for the past year. Just tired of the chemicals and the warnings.
i have an A cup and would like to build upto a C, if possible. my sisters all have DD or bigger, so i am hopeing to geta c at least, i have hope this is possible with the herbals. i will ad a little more fennugreek and fennel, and i guess i should have told ya eariler i do use progesterone cream 3x a week, morning and before bed.
Thanks,
Alice
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stefanie
(Login stefanie_ss) Re: Flat2fem Program May 19 2007, 4:27 PM
for a couple of months, i had used nothing but progesterone cream (twice a day) and extra strength estroven. from what i have read, estroven really wouldn't do anything for me. hence, i believe it was the progesterone that gave me my A's.
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Jim Gulyas
(Login oceanfish)
SENIOR MEMBER Ignore this program June 18 2008, 2:09 AM
Dear Alice:
This program is a money-making scheme. It's B*******. Unless you want to throw thousands of dollars away
on " False promises of life-changing LIES " , Stay away from Flat2Fem. Trust me, it's all c***.
Jim
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Les
(no login) Re: Flat2fem Program June 18 2008, 7:49 AM
I agree that there's nothing in Flat2fem that you can't find on this website anyway, so there's not much to be gained really from buying it. I'm not sure why it would involve a cost of thousands of dollars though, I didn't understand that comment.
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wishfulthinking
(Login wishfullthinking) if you are interested June 18 2008, 6:56 PM
If you have questions about the flat to fem program I highly recomend you review the information on this site. I am sure it will save you a lot of money and time.
http://babdl.blogspot.com/2007/12/test.html
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tgdonna
(no login) Flat2fem Program June 19 2008, 7:34 PM
Herbs take a while to work, so be patient. On the progesterone cream, I try to cycle it so it most closely emulates the natural female cycle. I use it twice a day for 7-10 days every 28 calendar days -- so one week out of every four.
I've also been trying some estriol cream on the non-progesterone days. Just started that this past month and it had a noticeable positive effect.
There's also the bovine/porcine glandular method you can try. Some people respond to that better than they do herbs. Though for either you should keep the saw palmetto as it blocks DHT.
There's a huge debate on the glandular forum as to whether you should combine estrogen-like herbals such as fenugreek, fennel, red clover, etc, with the glandulars. Some say they interfere with each other, but I personally have had the best success when using both simultaneously. To experiment, I've cycled on and off each in different combinations and different orders, for at least a month per test, to see if it would make any difference. For me personally, all 3 variations worked, but the herbals-only was the slowest, followed by the glandulars-only, with the fastest working being a combination of both herbs and glandulars.
I think each and every person has a different body chemistry so part of the quest is figuring out what works for your body. I've heard that more petite bodies respond best to the glandular method, whereas larger body builds do better with herbals. Physically I'm somewhere in between which is probably why the combination is working best for me.
With my combination, I started with a totally flat male chest and in 3 months was a full A cup. My goal is at least a full B and I'm hoping for a C. It may take a couple of years, but definitely seems possible.
Good luck!
tgdonna
michelle
(Login scnewbee)
SENIOR MEMBER Dosage amounts June 20 2008, 1:09 AM
what do they say to max red clover at how much is the max amount
saw palmetto what is the max that they say you shoud go
May 18 2007 at 8:30 PM Alice (Login Roundmoon)
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Hi all, first time poster, i have started the flat2fem program and am wondering if anybody here has had any experience with it. From what i read it's mostly posted here anyway, Any luck???
I started on May 1st, and had a small knot below both breasts for a week and since then it's gone away, no tingles, pain, itchy, nothing. Do i need to increase my dosages by a pill each, or is that the way it works? I massage 4x daily and put yam extract on morning and night before bed. My routine is..
6 saw palmetto 600mg
3 Clover Blossom 375mg
3 Fenugreek 600mg
yam extract morn and night
gaba nightly (i'm old) 500mg
is this enough, or should i raise the dosage,maybe add wild yam capsules?
Thanks for any advice in advance,
Alice
Author Reply
Fennel Fairy
(no login) Re: Flat2fem Program May 18 2007, 8:49 PM
Did you atart whis this dosage on may 1:st or have you ramped up to this amount over the past two weeks? You can try to up the dose of Fenugreek to about 3000 mg a day and add some fennel.
stefanie
(Login stefanie_ss) Re: Flat2fem Program May 19 2007, 1:06 AM
how long have you been on this program?
Alice
(Login Roundmoon) Response and Thank You May 19 2007, 4:03 PM
I started on may 1st, and have not changed anything since i rted, just the listed items. I will ramp up the fennel and see if this changes anything. a friend says i should ramp up the yam and dong quai, problem is, seems everybody has a different herb they want me to ramp up on!!! ahahahahahaha
i tried hormones and they just scare the hell out of me, espcially if you read the warnings and all.
Thank You for your responses, i will take all into concideration, and besides i need to go to the store anyway.
Thanks,
Alice
stefanie
(Login stefanie_ss) Re: Flat2fem Program May 19 2007, 4:07 PM
it's been just a little over two weeks. be patient. but, i would eliminate the dong quai, ramp up fenugreek or fennel and get some progesterone cream to massage directly on your breasts. btw, are you male or female
Edit Message Delete Message
stefanie
(Login stefanie_ss) Re: Flat2fem Program May 19 2007, 4:13 PM
never mind. i've read your posts....sorry
Edit Message Delete Message
Alice
(Login Roundmoon) Thanks again!! May 19 2007, 4:14 PM
I am a male,pre-op TS, i have lived as a female for the past year. Just tired of the chemicals and the warnings.
i have an A cup and would like to build upto a C, if possible. my sisters all have DD or bigger, so i am hopeing to geta c at least, i have hope this is possible with the herbals. i will ad a little more fennugreek and fennel, and i guess i should have told ya eariler i do use progesterone cream 3x a week, morning and before bed.
Thanks,
Alice
Edit Message Delete Message
stefanie
(Login stefanie_ss) Re: Flat2fem Program May 19 2007, 4:27 PM
for a couple of months, i had used nothing but progesterone cream (twice a day) and extra strength estroven. from what i have read, estroven really wouldn't do anything for me. hence, i believe it was the progesterone that gave me my A's.
Edit Message Delete Message
Jim Gulyas
(Login oceanfish)
SENIOR MEMBER Ignore this program June 18 2008, 2:09 AM
Dear Alice:
This program is a money-making scheme. It's B*******. Unless you want to throw thousands of dollars away
on " False promises of life-changing LIES " , Stay away from Flat2Fem. Trust me, it's all c***.
Jim
Edit Message Delete Message
Les
(no login) Re: Flat2fem Program June 18 2008, 7:49 AM
I agree that there's nothing in Flat2fem that you can't find on this website anyway, so there's not much to be gained really from buying it. I'm not sure why it would involve a cost of thousands of dollars though, I didn't understand that comment.
Edit Message Delete Message
wishfulthinking
(Login wishfullthinking) if you are interested June 18 2008, 6:56 PM
If you have questions about the flat to fem program I highly recomend you review the information on this site. I am sure it will save you a lot of money and time.
http://babdl.blogspot.com/2007/12/test.html
Edit Message Delete Message
tgdonna
(no login) Flat2fem Program June 19 2008, 7:34 PM
Herbs take a while to work, so be patient. On the progesterone cream, I try to cycle it so it most closely emulates the natural female cycle. I use it twice a day for 7-10 days every 28 calendar days -- so one week out of every four.
I've also been trying some estriol cream on the non-progesterone days. Just started that this past month and it had a noticeable positive effect.
There's also the bovine/porcine glandular method you can try. Some people respond to that better than they do herbs. Though for either you should keep the saw palmetto as it blocks DHT.
There's a huge debate on the glandular forum as to whether you should combine estrogen-like herbals such as fenugreek, fennel, red clover, etc, with the glandulars. Some say they interfere with each other, but I personally have had the best success when using both simultaneously. To experiment, I've cycled on and off each in different combinations and different orders, for at least a month per test, to see if it would make any difference. For me personally, all 3 variations worked, but the herbals-only was the slowest, followed by the glandulars-only, with the fastest working being a combination of both herbs and glandulars.
I think each and every person has a different body chemistry so part of the quest is figuring out what works for your body. I've heard that more petite bodies respond best to the glandular method, whereas larger body builds do better with herbals. Physically I'm somewhere in between which is probably why the combination is working best for me.
With my combination, I started with a totally flat male chest and in 3 months was a full A cup. My goal is at least a full B and I'm hoping for a C. It may take a couple of years, but definitely seems possible.
Good luck!
tgdonna
michelle
(Login scnewbee)
SENIOR MEMBER Dosage amounts June 20 2008, 1:09 AM
what do they say to max red clover at how much is the max amount
saw palmetto what is the max that they say you shoud go