[veggielover]

How long did you take FG and hops? It takes a long time and total dedication to your regimen get good results. I have swiched to these two herbals in the last year-year and a half or so and have had the best results. Although everyone handles nbe differently, I gues I'm happy with what I'm taking that I'm not willing to do pm. Like its been said in these forums many times and I've done for many years now,you'll need to experiment (safely) to see what works for you.