[AbiDrew85]

There's a variety of weaker herbs to try. I've used fenugreek, red clover and saw palmetto prior to using pm. I gave up on those herbs because I didn't think I was making much if any progress.

Saw palmetto actually only contains a very minuscule amount of very weak phytoestrogens. It's primary effect is on 5-alpha-reductase, preventing testosterone from becoming dihydrotestosterone. The latter being a much stronger and more masculinizing form of testosterone.

I'm actually going to be trying combining SP to block DHT, Chinese Skullcap to block Testosterone (It inhibits the 17-beta-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase pathway), PM to boost my estrogen, and USP progesterone creams, along with BO and various other mostly unrelated products that are intended to support my system even as I'm breaking things.

I'll be putting up more detail on my plan later in the Personal Plans forum.

I've done incredibly vast amounts of personal research into what I call herbal hormone manipulation. It's a further extension of the herbal part of NBE into essentially using herbs to simulate MtF HRT. It's not really HRT though, because I'm manipulating the bodies hormones rather than introducing outside hormones. Though I will be doing some of that too. In the past I used a pure HHM approach, but the results weren't favorable. USP Progesterone Cream and PM are introducing actual hormones into the mix.

The chemical makeup of the primary active phytochemical in PM is actually almost exactly identical to estradiol, which is why it's so much more dangerous than other, weaker, phytoestrogens. When you use PM, you're more or less dosing yourself with oral estradiol valerate. Because of this, I'm going to be trying something when I start taking it that I don't think anyone else has - putting it under my tongue just like you do estradiol pills.