[bryony]

Hello Bryony,
I for one don't consider anything you said sounding "pushy". I understand your safety concerns, and do agree that PM is probably safer that Pharmas. There is an awful wide variety of regimes being tested among the group here, and who's to say what is best and what is worst. Personally, I have a suspicion that had I maintained a consistent and not off-and-on program since I started, I may well have already been where I wanted to go. And maybe not. I'm considering mixing like I said in order to get the benefits of both. Because, I believe that the Pharms are indeed a shorter path. But the only way to know would be for you to do something you don't want to do. No harm, no foul. When you mention you'd only take them if PM wasn't available, I suspect that would not be applicable to you, as I don't think they would give you the mental result you get from PM. Remember that part of why I want to mix is because I don't want the dressing to be pushed aside. So, I don't think they would have the calming effect on you. But, you would get boobies!! Fair tradeoff? Oh, the conundrums we face!

And yes, Abi, the waistline went up more than the bustline went down. Very measurably so. Lots of folks in here tonight, So everyone have a Wonderful Christmas!! Patti

Hi Patti,

actually, if you read the Vitale FAQ, it seems to be quite clear that the mental effects are due to supplying estrogen to a feminised brain that feels starved of it. PM is supposed to be bioidentical to estriol, one of the 3 types of estrogen.

Anyway, good luck, and Merry Christmas (somewhat belatedly!)

B.