[AbiDrew85]

Yeesh! "Not strictly" NBE? Strictly UBE! You really ought to be doing this through a medical practitioner / therapist.

Blood clots, strokes etc. This stuff is _dangerous_!

If we're going to be encouraging this, I don't see the point of keeping the word "Natural" in the title of the forum.

B.

I'm sorry, but if by "UBE" you mean "unnatural", then no, you're wrong. Yes it's pharma. But that's because it's hormones in a concentrated enough form that the FDA has made them a "controlled" substance.

It's not "drugs". It's natural estradiol, just as it's valerate, which splits in the blood into pure estradiol and valeric acid, which is the acid that's added to the estradiol to make it a valerate. Valeric acid is also a completely naturally occurring chemical. And their combination, while not naturally occurring, isn't "strictly unnatural".

Shoot. The guys part of the forums is under "Related Subjects" wherein lies another topic as well: "Breast Implants and other Surgery" which WOULD be "strictly unnatural."

Yes, a doctor would be best for this sort of thing. But not all of us can afford them. A supervising doctor would be best for ANY NBE imo. Doesn't change the fact that I can't afford one.

Also, "blood clots, strokes, etc" is a bit much. It increases the risks of DVT, a specific type of blood clot that COULD, as all blood clots can, lead to stroke... But it's only an "increased risk" for DVT, and DVT doesn't directly and necessarily immediately mean stroke. And there's been no equivalent study done on phyto's, so for all we know we could be doing the same kind of thing there.

For that matter... The ONLY study done AT ALL about estrogens and increased risk of DVT was done as regards to Premarin. Which is conjugated equine estrogens. The makers of Premarin when they couldn't silence the results of that study, then pushed very successfully, to brand all estrogen as identical with identical risk patterns.

It's only very recently that new studies have begun to be done which are beginning to indicate that "common knowledge" as pushed by the makers of Premarin, was in fact completely erroneous and estrogens are NOT all created equal, and will do very different things.