[flamesabers]

Flame,

I just harangued everyone with another post on that thread before I saw this. Would you be so kind as to move it here if any of it warrants?

Sure, I can do that.

CK,
don't know if you misunderstood, but what I was attempting to say, was that some here explain their use of enhancement products as primarily, or solely, to ease their mental state. When the main reason, in reality, is to grow breasts, and feminize. But, to admit they want to grow breasts, to some, is just not an acceptable thing to confess. Face it, no one just wants breasts, it's usually more, and therefore to admit such, puts them in a position of admitting they are far more removed from the normality of society. I understand if you want to hide it from those close to you, but why the concern among those of us here? If you can't admit these feelings and desires to "digital acquaintances", then I don't see how you can ever really explain it to even yourself. That will not allow for self-understanding. I've seen those who say, "wow, I feel so much better about myself now with PM, too bad I might just grow boobs", then the same people will turn around and say, "turn loose the floodgates! I want all I can grow"!! Lack of consistency is ignored and accepted. If you have a position, stick with it. If you seriously don't know what you are, then say so, and don't just pick something that sounds good. Research, do some honest self-analysis, and try to figure it out, but don't just go along with the majority. And, if your position on any so-called scale evolves, by all means, let us know and explain it to us. One is not making a significant contribution to the discussion if the comments are just echoing previous comments because those previous comments were well received by the group. The conversation soon becomes stale and counterproductive, because not much new is being introduced. So, why not be honest about how you feel? Occasionally, someone is going to make a comment that seems so insignificant to them, but will cause a bunch of light bulbs to go off with other folks. That's progress. Maybe accidental progress, but still progress. And, CK, when I say you, I don't mean YOU. I'm generalizing, OK?

I hope I've been consistent.

I feel I've been transparent about how I feel. In my very first post on this forum I stated I had an interest in growing breasts. The idea of brain rewiring was unknown to me at that time, but I have long since held the belief I would benefit from altering my hormones from a masculine setup to an androgynous or even feminine one.

Before I became familiar with NBE, I already had dreams of feminizing my body: eliminating all facial hair and the hair on my hands, getting a trachea shave and feminizing the sound of my voice. Some may label me a transsexual for harboring such desires. I'm not bothered by this, I just don't think such a label is an accurate description of me.

CK,

thank you for your kind words of admiration.

Flame, you said you consider yourself transgender. I'm glad to hear that. Up to this point, I can only recall you claiming to be autogynosomething or other. That, to me, is a positive change. I would like to ask, why can't we be transsexual if we don't want to transition? You know, there are many who say they are transsexual, but forego SRS. So, are they wrong, and they are actually a TG or are we wrong in assuming someone who doesn't want full transition is "only" a TG? Many TS present and live as women, but for a variety of reasons, they never have SRS. I am TG, but if certain conditions were met, I would probably be TS. So, does that make me still TG, or an unfulfilled TS? To me, it really doesn't matter, as I am still able to be largely content with what I am (whatever that is), and in knowing that I am continuing to pursue higher goals. I also take a modicum of satisfaction in the fact that my wife is quite confused about the exact terms as well. She could live with me as a woman, but not if I had my "boy parts) removed. But, then I wouldn't be a woman, right? It gets a little entertaining watching her try to rationalize it all. And it doesn't help when I just look at her and say, "what ever you say, dear"!

Glad to hear you're not an "autobot" anymore. Sarah will probably be glad to know you're a little closer to her category, too. That is, if she's finalized hers, yet.

An Autobot? What's that? Transgender sounds better than androgynous? That never occurred to me.

In my mind, to be a transsexual is to say you are a member of the opposite sex that was born with the wrong type of body. I don't feel that statement fully describes me.

It's getting late so I'll have to wrap things up for now.

On a final note, Sarah was bothered by my androgynous label? I feel I'm being a bit thick-headed by saying this, but why would she feel better knowing I'm closer to her category of gender identity?