Ya, trying to figure out coffee is like the old joke about cowboys around a table to play poker. The dealer said " The rules are.... Jacks are wild on Tuesdays, except odd days..... Ace's are never wild unless it's during a full moon that night.... After the cowboys pondered said rules.... One pipes up and says..." Lets just play Kick the H%ll out of the dealer, it seems that way all of us wins."

It just seems like most doctor's who are suppose to know is like the dealer of the above game..... If it's in vogue or makes them money, then do it. They are always changing the rules and what they perceive is the truth.

Lotus,
A few posts back you said "try to cut all caffeine." What's the basis for this statement? Personal experience, advice, a study or something else. Being a big coffee drinker this issue is of interest.

Best

Hi Alexis,

I've gone back and forth on coffee (it's a phytoestrogen), I'll list a couple links that should help. I also have more technical info and info that contradicts that info, yes lol confusing. So this is both from experience and studies (I love coffee too) however once I cut back and eventually eliminated caffeine (which effects aromatase) I saw the shape change for the better. I will say I think that caffeine stresses the adrenals which restricts blood flow and also constricts growth. (Coffee effects iron absorption too).

How Does Caffeine Affect Estrogen Levels?
http://www.livestrong.com/article/503844-how-does-caffeine-affect-estrogen-levels/

Can Caffeine Cause a Hormonal Imbalance?
http://www.livestrong.com/article/542121-can-caffeine-cause-a-hormonal-imbalance/

Coffee depletes magnesium
http://www.livestrong.com/article/447467-can-coffee-deplete-magnesium/


Ps. I'll try to post more later, (short on time)

*sheepishly shuffles over to the kitchen sink to pour current cup of coffee down the drain*..

I find it dam near impossible to totally eliminate caffeine, it takes some practice but you can have some success. Try decaf coffee, it's actually more estrogenic than reg. coffee, of course even decaf still has caffeine but it's a step in the right direction. As Pom has indicated (who btw, has an awesomely shaped body) tea (decaf) is a good option as a replacement for coffee, I used spearmint tea for a time and then switched to White Peony Root tea, mainly for the purpose of aromatase (converts testosterone to estrogen), if comparing the two here's some info.

White Peony--Estrogenic, blocks 5ar and pro-aromatase - Strong.
A compound found in white peony inhibits the production of testosterone and promotes the activity of aromatase, which converts testosterone into estrogen.

Spearmint-anti-androgenic properties reduce the level of free testosterone in the blood, while leaving total testosterone and DHEAS unaffected.

Lotus, since you said earlier that SP depletes estrogens, I stopped my SP after taking it for almost 1 year and 4 months in the form of tea or cap. I ordered White Peony tea, which actually I am having some now, but in the description says it is actually white tea, which I do not understand why they call it Peony white tea. Should I just buy White Peony Root Extract? Although this tea is awesome that I am drinking.
And thanks for your compliment. POM

Here's another one:

http://www.livestrong.com/article/526047-can-caffeine-decrease-testosterone/

which contends that caffeine increases testosterone in men - just the opposite of its effect in women.

Here's another one:

http://www.livestrong.com/article/526047-can-caffeine-decrease-testosterone/

which contends that caffeine increases testosterone in men - just the opposite of its effect in women.

Amazing article, but as Lotus said the infos are contradictory on coffee. Just ask your body what she wants.

White peony tea is a fraud! This is ordinary tea. "White tea" is tea that is unprocessed. The term "white peony" here has to do with the way the leaves are cut. This product has nothing to do with white peony root. I learned this after buying a package of the tea from Whole Foods. In big letters it said white peony tea. But the contents were identified (in small letters) as white tea. So I called the manufacturer and spoke to the buyer who told me that everyone in the tea business knows the meaning of white peony. He couldn't understand that us poor consumers just might be misled by this false packaging. Anyway, as far as tea goes, it wasn't bad.

White peony tea is a fraud! This is ordinary tea. "White tea" is tea that is unprocessed. The term "white peony" here has to do with the way the leaves are cut. This product has nothing to do with white peony root. I learned this after buying a package of the tea from Whole Foods. In big letters it said white peony tea. But the contents were identified (in small letters) as white tea. So I called the manufacturer and spoke to the buyer who told me that everyone in the tea business knows the meaning of white peony. He couldn't understand that us poor consumers just might be misled by this false packaging. Anyway, as far as tea goes, it wasn't bad.

Exactly, that was my conclusion.

Lotus, since you said earlier that SP depletes estrogens, I stopped my SP after taking it for almost 1 year and 4 months in the form of tea or cap. I ordered White Peony tea, which actually I am having some now, but in the description says it is actually white tea, which I do not understand why they call it Peony white tea. Should I just buy White Peony Root Extract? Although this tea is awesome that I am drinking.
And thanks for your compliment. POM

Hi Pom,

Good question, I was also troubled that WP tea (which btw white tea gets it's name from when it's harvested before the tea leaf opens it's covered with fuzzy white hair) wasn't strong enough so I added the extract which has a 1:1 ratio, which I'm glad I did and would say it's was a good move, (give WP a few months to gauge results). Spearmint tea is just to minty for me, WP tea although slightly bitter fills the void I was missing from having an effective hot brewed replace for coffee.

Lotus, since you said earlier that SP depletes estrogens, I stopped my SP after taking it for almost 1 year and 4 months in the form of tea or cap. I ordered White Peony tea, which actually I am having some now, but in the description says it is actually white tea, which I do not understand why they call it Peony white tea. Should I just buy White Peony Root Extract? Although this tea is awesome that I am drinking.
And thanks for your compliment. POM

Hi Pom,

Good question, I was also troubled that WP tea (which btw white tea gets it's name from when it's harvested before the tea leaf opens it's covered with fuzzy white hair) wasn't strong enough so I added the extract which has a 1:1 ratio, which I'm glad I did and would say it's was a good move, (give WP a few months to gauge results). Spearmint tea is just to minty for me, WP tea although slightly bitter fills the void I was missing from having an effective hot brewed replace for coffee.

I am ordering some WP extract now. Thanks...