[Lotus]

Hi elaine, (your welcome),

You'll still need an estrogenic source along with the Reishi, also WP to help convert that free T to estrogen, nipple stimulation for the release of prolactin and a progesterone source to balance the E. Here's two herbs as an example:

Fenugreek-Prolactin stimulate, increases production of estrogen, phytoestrogen, adaptogen

Shatavari-Phytoestrogen, normalizes estrogen levels, prolactin source, adaptogen

....Is NBE complicated?, no not really. What complicates NBE comes from mis-information, lack of personal research to sort fact from fiction.

So I need the mushroom plus white peony plus one of the above?
Problem is I've tried the fenugreek and it broke my face out like a teenager...lol...think the shatavari will?

Elaine,

Your comfort is the only concern here, using either isn't written in stone, it's entirely up to you though. Although, considering the use of other herbs (or hormones) for meaningful breast growth is hard to dispute.

The time to tweak a program should be after your body adjusts to the current program. It's possible the break out from FG came from the slight increase of T/DHT that FG carries, BB's use FG for that reason.

Here's info on shatavari-


Asparagus racemosus
http://examine.com/supplements/Asparagus+racemosus/

[Lotus]

Hi Lotus,does it need still anything White Peony,Reishi,PM besides?

Patience, lol.

How often are you massaging?, stay hydrated, (drink filtered water). Nipple stimulation (over clothing, careful don't get busted lol) for prolactin/oxytocin release.

[Candace]

Candace -

How do you compare the Swansons Reishi you suggest with this one? http://www.swansonvitamins.com/swanson-premium-reishi-mushroom-600-mg-60-caps?SourceCode=INTL405&CAWELAID=1416072290&catargetid=530002460000095308&cadevice=c&mkwid=x5QxXJjw&pcrid=54515848927&gclid=CPmP7In7z8ACFUoS7Aod-G0AXg

The one in your link isn't a standardized extract so you don't know exactly what you're getting. Herbs can vary in composition from batch to batch.

[spanky (aka Lola)]

Thanks, Candace. How reliable are product claims that they are "standardized?"

FWIW, here is some research on reishi I assembled. the first link includes a detailed article.

Estrogenic effects and 5-alpha reductase inhibiting effects of reishi - Ganoderma lucidum

http://www.academia.edu/6924010/Ganoderm...acrofungus

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007...008-0992-2

http://www.raysahelian.com/ganoderma.html

http://www.nuskin.com/global/library/pdf...tudies.pdf

http://functionalfoodscenter.net/files/63502376.pdf

http://www.livestrong.com/article/526240...ne-levels/

http://www.rawforestfoodsblog.com/is-rei...ndrogenic/

[Candace]

Thanks, Candace. How reliable are product claims that they are "standardized?"

Swanson says that they get certificates of analysis for all of their ingredients, and they are a Registered GMP Facility, which entails outside auditing. So it appears to me to be a good bet.

[Lotus]

Dietary Supplements: An Advertising Guide for Industry
The Federal Trade Commission (FTC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA)
http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bus09-...pplication


STANDARDIZED EXTRACTS VS. BOTANICAL EXTRACTS
WHAT DO THEY MEAN?
http://www.herbalextractsplus.com/standa...nical.html


Are dietary supplements standardized?

Standardization is a process that manufacturers may use to ensure batch-to-batch consistency of their products. In some cases, standardization involves identifying specific chemicals (known as markers) that can be used to manufacture a consistent product. The standardization process can also provide a measure of quality control.
Dietary supplements are not required to be standardized in the United States. In fact, no legal or regulatory definition exists in the United States for standardization as it applies to dietary supplements. Because of this, the term "standardization" may mean many different things. Some manufacturers use the term standardization incorrectly to refer to uniform manufacturing practices; following a recipe is not sufficient for a product to be called standardized. Therefore, the presence of the word "standardized" on a supplement label does not necessarily indicate product quality.
What methods are used to evaluate the health benefits and safety of a dietary supplement?


What is a dietary supplement?

As defined by Congress in the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act, which became law in 1994, a dietary supplement is a product (other than tobacco) that
is intended to supplement the diet;
contains one or more dietary ingredients (including vitamins; minerals; herbs or other botanicals; amino acids; and other substances) or their constituents;
is intended to be taken by mouth as a pill, capsule, tablet, or liquid; and
is labeled on the front panel as being a dietary supplement.
What is a new dietary ingredient?
http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Dietary...fessional/

[Lotus]

What information is required on a dietary supplement label?
FDA requires that certain information appear on the dietary supplement label
General information
* Name of product (including the word "supplement" or a statement that the product is a supplement) * Net quantity of contents
* Name and place of business of manufacturer, packer, or distributor
Directions for use
*Supplement Facts panel
*Serving size, list of dietary ingredients, amount per serving size (by weight), percent of Daily
Value (%DV), if established
* If the dietary ingredient is a botanical, the scientific name of the plant or the common or usual name
standardized in the reference Herbs of Commerce, 2nd Edition (2000 edition) and the name of the
plant part used
* If the dietary ingredient is a proprietary blend (i.e., a blend exclusive to the manufacturer), the total weight of the blend and the components of the blend in order of predominance by weight.

[Lotus]

Other ingredients
Non-dietary ingredients such as fillers, artificial colors, sweeteners, flavors, or binders; listed by weight in descending order of predominance and by common name or proprietary blend
The label of the supplement may contain a cautionary statement but the lack of a cautionary statement does not mean that no adverse effects are associated with the product.

Does a label indicate the quality of a dietary supplement product?
It is difficult to determine the quality of a dietary supplement product from its label. The degree
of quality control depends on the manufacturer, the supplier, and others in the production process.

In 2007, the FDA issued Good Manufacturing Practices (GMPs) for dietary supplements, a set of re- quirements and expectations by which dietary supplements must be manufactured, prepared, and stored to ensure quality. Manufacturers are now expected to guarantee the identity, purity, strength, and composition of their dietary supplements. For example, the GMPs aim to prevent the inclusion of the wrong ingredients, the addition of too much or too little of a dietary ingredient, the possibility of contamination (by pesticides, heavy metals such as lead, bacteria, etc.), and the improper packaging and labeling of a product.

[Lotus]

What claims can manufacturers make for dietary supplements and drugs?


The types of claims that can be made on the labels of dietary supplements and drugs differ. Drug manufacturers may claim that their product will diagnose, cure, mitigate, treat, or prevent a disease. Such claims may not legally be made for dietary supplements.

The label of a dietary supplement or food product may contain one of three types of claims: a health claim, nutrient content claim, or structure/function claim. Health claims describe a relationship between a food, food component, or dietary supplement ingredient, and reducing risk of a disease or health-related condition. Nutrient content claims describe the relative amount of a nutrient or dietary substance in a product. A structure/function claim is a statement describing how a product may affect the organs or systems of the body and it can not mention any specific disease. Structure/function claims do not require FDA approval but the manufacturer must provide FDA with the text of the claim within 30 days of putting the product on the market. Product labels containing such claims must also include a disclaimer that reads, "This statement has not been evaluated by the FDA. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease."


http://www.fda.gov/Food/DietarySupplemen...efault.htm

[Holmes12]

"Good luck Holmes Wink (how's your DW doing?)"

Cheers Lotus.

If by DW you mean my good lady, she is doing well and so far had no re=occurrence. Thank you for asking.