[Lotus]

Natural Herbs vs. Synthetic Drugs

According to The School of Natural Healing , man-made, synthetic drugs stop, block or replace a bodily function. Herbs work with the body’s natural functions.

Man-made drugs usually work on relieving the “symptoms” of a disease, whereas herbs work on the cause of the disease. Isn’t it interesting that a lot of drugs are simply synthesized versions of herbs?

Since herbs are natural, they are more readily absorbed and assimilated by the body. Since man-made drugs are unnatural, the body doesn’t recognize them, so only a small amount are actually absorbed and assimilated. The rest gets deposited in weakened areas of the body.

Cosmically speaking , herbs are of a higher energy vibration and contain ingredients that have a natural aura. Synthetic drugs are of a lower energy vibration and contain fillers and additives that have no efficacy, or aura.

If that weren’t enough, herbs are much more cost efficient than pharmaceutical drugs, which btw, have one of the highest mark-ups than almost any other commodity on the stock market.
http://medicalinsanity.wordpress.com/201...tic-drugs/

[flamesabers]

Lotus,

I'm not quite following your opinion with this thread. Are you saying you don't want synthetics discussed at all on this forum? Are you asking about whether a sub-forum for synthetics should be created? Or are you suggesting more caution should be emphasized about the risks of using synthetics?

I'm fine with synthetics being discussed here. Considering there is a sub-forum for breast implants and other surgery, I don't think there is a good case to ban the discussion of synthetics on the basis it doesn't fall in line with the name of this site. As a bio-male, I see this site (at least the bio-male section) as being an unofficial transgender forum. I would rather have synthetics being discussed freely than see this site turn into an anti-HRT place as a number of users have reported Susan's being anti-herbal. If we really wanted to go into the nitty-gritty, I think one could make the case that it's unnatural for males to develop breast tissue beyond tanner stage 1. I prefer this site be inclusive rather than exclusive for those who are pursuing breast development or enhancement.

On the second point, I have doubts about creating a sub-forum for synthetics. A number of members use both herbs and synthetics, so it could get complicated about what should be posted and where.

On the third point, I think newbies should be cautioned about the risks, physically, socially, etc. about pursuing NBE whether it's with herbs or synthetics. I think others and myself have performed a decent job with executing this responsibility. You yourself have created a number of FAQ threads that address the side-effects and other issues that may result from pursuing NBE. As much as we can try to educate and help others, I think everyone still has a duty to assume some self-responsibility for what they choose to put in or on their bodies.

[GoneGirl]

Lotus,

I'm not quite following your opinion with this thread. Are you saying you don't want synthetics discussed at all on this forum? Are you asking about whether a sub-forum for synthetics should be created? Or are you suggesting more caution should be emphasized about the risks of using synthetics?

I'm fine with synthetics being discussed here. Considering there is a sub-forum for breast implants and other surgery, I don't think there is a good case to ban the discussion of synthetics on the basis it doesn't fall in line with the name of this site. As a bio-male, I see this site (at least the bio-male section) as being an unofficial transgender forum. I would rather have synthetics being discussed freely than see this site turn into an anti-HRT place as a number of users have reported Susan's being anti-herbal. If we really wanted to go into the nitty-gritty, I think one could make the case that it's unnatural for males to develop breast tissue beyond tanner stage 1. I prefer this site be inclusive rather than exclusive for those who are pursuing breast development or enhancement.

On the second point, I have doubts about creating a sub-forum for synthetics. A number of members use both herbs and synthetics, so it could get complicated about what should be posted and where.

On the third point, I think newbies should be cautioned about the risks, physically, socially, etc. about pursuing NBE whether it's with herbs or synthetics. I think others and myself have performed a decent job with executing this responsibility. You yourself have created a number of FAQ threads that address the side-effects and other issues that may result from pursuing NBE. As much as we can try to educate and help others, I think everyone still has a duty to assume some self-responsibility for what they choose to put in or on their bodies.

Hear! Hear! The voice of reason! Thanks, Flamesabers.

Clara

[Lotus]

Flamesabers,

The distinction is not the exclusion of the topic, far from it. It's the increased health risk from synthetics vs. plant based herbs. I fear that for some members when NBE isn't enough and who are unable to afford a doctors care what's next next step?, obtaining black market hormones.

Did anybody see the recent 20/20 program on fake products?, they proved (by a lab that fake Viagra tablets had paint in it, fake make-up had real copper too.)

So by all means, let's have the discussion

The point about the sub-forum is to have a serious discussion, whether Eve chooses to add a sub forum about it is entirely up to her. Also, and it's not just Susan's that resents Herbals, it appears other TG forums has similar intolerance.

I'm saying more info should be provided about the dangers of synthetics, I'm glad we have a search option here to inform members on just about anything. If I made a decision to transition (which is unlikely) it would obviously be synthetics and under a doctors care.

Having to take massive amounts of anything should be a red flag, haven't we seen statements from members stating they would never take synthetic hormones only to end up doing so.

Hear! Hear! The voice of reason! Thanks, Flamesabers.

Clara

That's pretty funny Clara, I guess the voice of caution isn't the voice of reason?

[Lotus]

Exactly Lotus! I noticed lately that many bio males started taking synthetics and I am worried that many order those synthetics online without visiting their doctor. This stuff is risky and should not be taken like candies...

Thanks Peggy, another voice of caution!

[flamesabers]

Flamesabers,

The distinction is not the exclusion of the topic, far from it. It's the increased health risk from synthetics vs. plant based herbs. I fear that for some members when NBE isn't enough and who are unable to afford a doctors care what's next next step?, obtaining black market hormones.

I don't think the risk of using synthetics are overlooked or trivialized on this board. From what I see, those on this forum who use synthetics know the risks. I doubt anyone here who has done some research and put some serious thought into the matter is under the misapprehension that synthetics are simply a stronger form of herbals that have the same level of safety. I'm all for promoting caution when using synthetics, herbs or anything else, but I recognize that ultimately it's everyone's decision what products they want to use.

Are there specific members you are concerned about? Or is what you describe a generalized fear?

[GoneGirl]

That's pretty funny Clara, I guess the voice of caution isn't the voice of reason?

Sorry, Lotus. I guess I didn't understand what you were advocating either. I thought you were suggesting that we separate the discussions about herbal and synthetic HRT.

I certainly believe in the need for caution. I just don't see the difference in the risks of taking prescription drugs vs. non-prescription herbs when it comes to playing with the endocrine system.

Clara

[Lotus]

Here's another confusing paradox,

Why is NBE revisited after finding out that synthetics didn't work for them, or even combined with synthetics?.

We have absolutely no research on it or the effects of combing PM with synthetics, and if that's the case what does the docs have to say about it?,

I imagine we've all withheld disclosing all the facts to our PCP's at one point or another (guilty).

[flamesabers]

Here's another confusing paradox,

Why is NBE revisited after finding out that synthetics didn't work for them, or even combined with synthetics?.

We have absolutely no research on it or the effects of combing PM with synthetics, and if that's the case what does the docs have to say about it?,

I imagine we've all withheld disclosing all the facts to our PCP's at one point or another (guilty).

Lotus,

My feelings aren't hurt by what you or anyone else has posted in this thread. I'm just left wondering what exactly is it that you're trying to say.

Are you on the fence now about using synthetics? Are you concerned about the direction this forum is heading? Do you just want to talk about synthetics compared to herbs? Please clarify what is it that is on your mind.

[Lotus]

That's pretty funny Clara, I guess the voice of caution isn't the voice of reason?

Sorry, Lotus. I guess I didn't understand what you were advocating either. I thought you were suggesting that we separate the discussions about herbal and synthetic HRT.

I certainly believe in the need for caution. I just don't see the difference in the risks of taking prescription drugs vs. non-prescription herbs when it comes to playing with the endocrine system.

Clara

I'm thinking if we give out more info regarding making the switch to synthetics (and under a doctors care) we are at least doing our due diligence, failure to do so and then god forbid something catastrophic happened.......

Well, I cant bear the thought of it....