while I was only taking 500mg once a day, I also had issues with leg cramps. Mostly in the hamstring. I suspect it was a result of elevated estrogen levels. But as a runner I don’t know if it’s that or just summer fatigue from running. I’m starting HRT today, so my time on PM has come to a close. I had great results over the last 7 months. But I never felt like I needed more than 500mg a day. 

Good luck on your journey and stay safe.

Not to hijack the thread, but on a related note; if one goes to the doctor with this issue, are we automatically diagnosed with gender dysphoria? Can you ask a doctor to leave something off of your medical records? Do these records follow you? I’d like not to be put on any kind of list of “mentally ill” people, though it’s hard to imagine telling the doctor with a straight face, yeah, I took these pill just ‘cause.

Usually a normal doctor regular doctor your primary care doctor whatever the case may be may have a sneaking suspicion you might be having difficulties identifying with your gender however no one will make a diagnosis unless they are a mental health therapist. 

Your primary care doctor might refer you to somebody in the mental health department that you'll have a consult with and that psychiatrist will be the person who ultimately says hey yes I think you are struggling with your gender identity and you're having these feelings of dysphoria or there is another something else completely going on. 

For me I use the veterans affair for my healthcare and when I told my primary care doctor that I would like to know more about trans and gender affirming care that the VA offers and that I was struggling with stress and anxiety and depression from not knowing or not feeling completely at home in my body she put in a consult with the va's mental health department who will ultimately make that decision on officially diagnosing me. 

However even if they don't diagnose me with gender dysphoria I can still receive gender affirming care because there are so many different things that fall under the gender umbrella. 

So I would say short answer your regular or primary care doctor might have a suspicion that you might be dealing with gender identity issues but they are not qualified to make that diagnosis you would have to go see somebody in mental health and have a few sessions with them for the therapist to make a diagnosis.

Not to hijack the thread, but on a related note; if one goes to the doctor with this issue, are we automatically diagnosed with gender dysphoria? Can you ask a doctor to leave something off of your medical records? Do these records follow you? I’d like not to be put on any kind of list of “mentally ill” people, though it’s hard to imagine telling the doctor with a straight face, yeah, I took these pill just ‘cause.

for me gender dysphoria was diagnosed after meeting with both a gender care specialist and a therapist. It’s in my medical record now. But honestly, I don’t care. I’m not mentally ill, nor would I categorize this condition as such. However, I do see your point. Some would rather not have this following them around forever. While I had results on PM, I felt it was appropriate to work directly with a medical professional on HRT. The last thing I wanted was to drop dead from an @home regiment. That’s not say PM is not a safe and effective procedure. Just like anything else, there’s certain levels of risks. 

Not to hijack the thread, but on a related note; if one goes to the doctor with this issue, are we automatically diagnosed with gender dysphoria? Can you ask a doctor to leave something off of your medical records? Do these records follow you? I’d like not to be put on any kind of list of “mentally ill” people, though it’s hard to imagine telling the doctor with a straight face, yeah, I took these pill just ‘cause.

F64.0 diagnosis is NOT mental illness. No, they do not diagnose it just like that. Diagnosis shows where ever your other diagnostic stuff does and can be seen by poeple who normally can see it.

If you're so scared of labels like "mental illness" and what not, why are you trying to grow boobs? Man growing boobs is a weirdo freak in peoples eyes and they definitely will see it as "mentally ill" very easily. Whereas a trans woman like me who's stealth passable will be seen as normal as they don't know my medical history. Gender dysphoria is definitely not mental illness. In a same way as neurodivergencies are a human condition to which people are born into.

This should be added to BN rules that any kind of transphobia is verboten. But BN is weird with bunch of things.

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Btw... Calling me and all other sex/gender minority people mentally ill is the most certain way to get your ass reported. Transphobia is just rebranded homophobia, it works the same way as how racism does and all discrimination does. Bigotry is mental illness and it wont be tolerated.

I’d like not to be put on any kind of list of “mentally ill” people.

Is this the 1950's?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uGeISRH9Mzs&pp=ygUSYWVyb3NtaXRoIHRoZSBmYXJt

So I would say short answer your regular or primary care doctor might have a suspicion that you might be dealing with gender identity issues but they are not qualified to make that diagnosis you would have to go see somebody in mental health and have a few sessions with them for the therapist to make a diagnosis.

Ah cool, good to know, thanks.

Not to hijack the thread, but on a related note; if one goes to the doctor with this issue, are we automatically diagnosed with gender dysphoria? Can you ask a doctor to leave something off of your medical records? Do these records follow you? I’d like not to be put on any kind of list of “mentally ill” people, though it’s hard to imagine telling the doctor with a straight face, yeah, I took these pill just ‘cause.

F64.0 diagnosis is NOT mental illness. No, they do not diagnose it just like that. Diagnosis shows where ever your other diagnostic stuff does and can be seen by poeple who normally can see it.

If you're so scared of labels like "mental illness" and what not, why are you trying to grow boobs? Man growing boobs is a weirdo freak in peoples eyes and they definitely will see it as "mentally ill" very easily. Whereas a trans woman like me who's stealth passable will be seen as normal as they don't know my medical history. Gender dysphoria is definitely not mental illness. In a same way as neurodivergencies are a human condition to which people are born into.

This should be added to BN rules that any kind of transphobia is verboten. But BN is weird with bunch of things.

EDIT:
Btw... Calling me and all other sex/gender minority people mentally ill is the most certain way to get your ass reported. Transphobia is just rebranded homophobia, it works the same way as how racism does and all discrimination does. Bigotry is mental illness and it wont be tolerated.

Wow, take it down a notch. I DID NOT insult you or anyone else. I use herbs because I am distrustful of the medical system and don’t want to be discriminated against by bureaucrats for my gender nonconformity. “Transphobia” is a nice little prepackaged term that can elicit an emotional response that can sweep away what the other person was talking about. Do you even realize what my point was? There are all kinds of situations where a judge or a police officer or an administrator or gatekeeper of some kind can say “I see you have a mental health diagnosis; disqualified.”

I come here instead of reddit or Susan’s place to avoid the knee-jerk Thought Police.

Pointing out obviously transphobic and false statements is not thought policing.

F64.0 is not a mental health diagnosis because sex/gender dysphoria is not a mental illness. I'm no though police by pointing that out, I'm not even insulted or surprised either, but I take no shit and calling this diagnosis a mental illness is bullshit. Ironically enough, it should be dealt with as a medical issue, not a social one, but it definitely is not an illness. Symptoms of leaving these conditions untreated manifest as mental health problems though.

You shouldn't worry, these diagnosis are not handed out like candy to cis guys taking herbs to grow boobs, for that I bet there could be some completely different diagnostics if someone wanted to come up with one. This whole worry stems from the idea that trans women or anyone who gets transsex/gender diagnosis is a mentally ill freak who wont get hired or helped by authorities seeing us as mentally ill, unstable, non human. Discrimination happens a lot, because people are assholes and society is totally full of shit about these things even to this day. Especially older people are. As long as our condition is thought as mental illness, this shit keeps happening.

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Next step is probably to call me a rabid blue haired woke tranny or something like that... But this mental illness thing should not be given a tiniest bit of space, it is not ok. Its not that long ago that everything from homosexuality to transsex conditions were all labelled as mental illness. Its taken decades of fight to have us become somewhat normal people and not mentally ill because of just existing with a normal part of human condition which is just somewhat rare. There's no room for that kinda stuff here on BN and nowhere else either. This is very much a hill I'm ready to die upon.

Hi All
Just wanted to put a warning out there. I know everyone's body reacts differently, I certainly wasn't expecting the results I got. I had been following the advice listed all over this site. Basically taking Ainterol PM - 2x500g daily, Red Reishe Mushroom, MSM, Calcium and D3K2, all as directed on bottles. Followed the protocol listed on this site. So, basically i was rushed to the hospital with a blood clot in my leg - 15 cm long. Spent the next 4 days in the hospital on blood thinners, and will now be on them for the next 6 months. Was very lucky as I was due to fly for 14 hours to the US the next day. Thankfully it was caught in time and I didn't travel. Very disappointed as I was so excited to grow breasts. Now.... never again taking PM - just to dangerous. So just a warning to everyone. Not sure what I did wrong, like I said I followed the protocols listed here.

Good luck to everyone, but be careful.

I'm sorry it didn't work out for you. Unfortunately PM is a blind risk and while for some it works, for others it doesn't.
Glad to hear things didn't go worse, and now you are in a path to recovery.

Have you explored other ways to grow boobs? Did you consider official HRT? Should be a lot safer as you are monitored often and use better hormones than PM (which is not even an hormone).