You guys are freaking me out. Lol I'd be happy with SRS and a boob job.

I don't think you NEED the tit job! :-)

Thanks, Eva. I met Dr. Z and talked to one of his patients. He's rather forceful in his opinions about what you need in the way of FFS. I passed on Dr. Z mainly because he isn't craniofacial certified. If you need lots of forehead reshaping, like I do, you want that qualification in your surgeon.

I prefer a more conservative surgeon, personally. I don't want to change my looks so much as to soften my appearance by removing the male puberty influences on brow boss, nose, upper lip, and adam's apple. I can live with my jaw and cheeks the way they are.

Voice surgery is really risky and normally only recommended after voice training has not achieved your goals. At least look into the surgical technique your doc is going to use on you. I would be concerned about a visible scar on your neck and the long post-surgery restrictions that you have to adhere to religiously for optimal results.

Clara

Ive come to the conclusion that to see anyone but "him" in the mirror wouldnt bother me a bit...

I do like the idea of his endoscopic approach rather than pretty much just peeling your face off and dremmeling the heck out of things then putting it back on a bit tighter Im not sure how that would all work with a scalp advancement...

BUT now that I think about that Im not sure I would even want or need to stretch out the scalp too much when Im considering A LOT of work with hair transplants...

I havent had a word at all with Dr Z yet, Im just impressed with his work, experience, and qualifications... MOST important for me though is that he is close to a very good friend of mine and my mother who would be there to help me recover... My GF will be going with me to the consultation and Im very excited about seeing her again and consulting with DR Z...

There is another it appears VERY good surgeon in Chicago that does FFS and even SRS.... Dr Loren Schecter... Hard to find any info on him though, good or bad... Aside from a few unsatisfied breast cancer reconstruction patients, and Im thinking most women wont be very happy there no matter what... I considered consulting with this guy for everything but I dont like the way he uses a graft for SRS and Im pretty sure Id need one with him... Also cant find anyones experience with having SRS with him.... And while he is certainly capable it appears and a maxillo facial surgeon as well as a plastic surgeon I need to see at least some good results there as well... Cant find anything on him except that he is a contributor to the WPATH guidelines... http://www.uplasticsurgery.com/loren-s-schechter-m-d/

The voice thing, well I cant really see mine getting much better... Not looking forward to having a scar or the recovery either but its a risk Im GOING to take... Im actually looking forward to getting that over and done with...

You guys are freaking me out. Lol I'd be happy with SRS and a boob job.

I don't think you NEED the tit job! :-)

Well Im unfortunately NOT getting any younger... Its only $$$ thats worthless to me if Im not around anymore...

I'll second that, you dont need a boob job!!! I hope to avoid that myself by just continuing to grow my own

I did an online and a Skype consultation with Toby Mayer in Beverly Hills CA....

He recommended brow bone work... Ive heard he's not very aggressive there though and I am not scared at all of a radical change... Also of course a brow lift... A FULL face lift and I definitely agree with that!!! My wrinkles are getting REALLY bad... It seems like the more hairs I kill with laser and electro the WORSE my wrinkles and lines get Its gotten so bad lately I cant even wear makeup anymore, it just makes me look worse

Its strange to me just how fast these terrible wrinkles seemed to come out of nowhere AFTER I quit smoking

Anyway he also recommended chin reduction which I also agree with, lip lift and nose job with lip augmentation... At first I was kinda against all of that but now I can see that too... Also fat/tissue injections in the deep creases around the nose/mouth...

Problem is I really didnt like him much at all even though Im sure he's very good... He's got a reputation as being one of the best at noses....
I never really had a problem with my nose but I guess i can see how subtle changes would help feminize...

I really want a scalp reduction/advancement or whatever he can do to reduce the bald area on my front nonexistent "hairline"... If I live through all this I plan to start hair restoration soon afterwards...

I cant find much of anything bad about Dr Z and I actually love his whole Chicago guy persona... Only complaint Ive heard about him is the price and Im NOT too worried about that.. I just want it done right and done once...

So I want all of that at least and actually the sooner the better Im also not gonna fuck around and I just want an in person consultation after all the BS I went through to do the one with Dr Mayer...

Ive decided to do it next year though just because of tax implications... So I will do the voice feminization first....

Im unfortunately NOT really sure just EXACTLY what this voice surgery involves... I cant find much good or bad about this doc... He does seem very competent and there are few options here in the USA...

Im just gonna go for it, yes its scary as hell... This stuff is NOT for sissys

Wow that's a lot of work your having and your naturally beautiful as you are although looking at Dr z photos I can see why your doing it those women after ffs look better than most born females but still that he keeps them looking themselves good luck sure it will all go so well I'm getting my nose done and im nervous enough even for simple surgery with a dr i know well.

I do like the idea of his endoscopic approach rather than pretty much just peeling your face off and dremmeling the heck out of things then putting it back on a bit tighter Im not sure how that would all work with a scalp advancement...

The decision to reshape your forehead using an endoscopic approach vs. exposing the bone depends on what you are trying to accomplish, Eva. If your aim is to reduce a prominent brow ridge that lies over the anterior wall of the frontal sinus cavity, be VERY concerned about using endoscopic burring. That bone is not very thick, so only minor sculpting is possible without the risk of breaking through or making the bone so thin that a minor impact in that area could break the bone and leave a permanent depression in your forehead.

I'm not sure why you are considering 'scalp advancement'. I was under the impression that you suffer significant MPB.

Clara

Wow that's a lot of work your having and your naturally beautiful as you are although looking at Dr z photos I can see why your doing it those women after ffs look better than most born females but still that he keeps them looking themselves good luck sure it will all go so well I'm getting my nose done and im nervous enough even for simple surgery with a dr i know well.

Thank you for the complement, I love a complement as much as any other woman Ive heard the same thing recently in person from some very beautiful women and thought to myself "they must be blind" LOL... I just dont see what they see... I see "him" and I suppose I always will no matter what I do... However what keeps me going is I also at times see "her" developing and that makes me very happy While I'll never truly know what its like to be a woman the more I progress the happier I am BUT the more feminine I get the more I want and aside from time on HRT things get bigger and bigger and things I used to think Id NEVER do seem so worth the risks the farther I go...

Over the weekend I found myself sitting at a crowded "cis" straight bar with a handsome very attractive older man who was just buying me drinks and treating me just like all the other girls who were drawn to his charm, although I was his date for the evening... WOW you know it just blows my mind sometimes, Im sitting here this morning thinking "No way that was real" but it WAS... Im talking to beautiful younger women and they tell me "he's very cute" and they say 'Your beautiful" and I just dont believe it... Of course when I told them the same thing they disagreed with me and started pointing out all of these flaws about them I couldnt see....

I lived as a "man" for 44 years and projected a somewhat "straight normal dude" persona the best I could... Now a short time after finally stopping that fraud Im really doing this??? UNREAL
So its like a curse and no matter what I do I feel like a fraud, BUT I feel much more at ease and real as a "woman"

A point Ive made to sympathetic supportive people including my dear mother is; "While its great that you are accepting and supportive of me you must realize that with you being "normal" you will never truly understand what its like to be me.... Only someone else with the same condition could and even among us we are all very different"

Good luck with your surgery and I hope it makes you feel better about yourself and you heal well

I do like the idea of his endoscopic approach rather than pretty much just peeling your face off and dremmeling the heck out of things then putting it back on a bit tighter Im not sure how that would all work with a scalp advancement...

The decision to reshape your forehead using an endoscopic approach vs. exposing the bone depends on what you are trying to accomplish, Eva. If your aim is to reduce a prominent brow ridge that lies over the anterior wall of the frontal sinus cavity, be VERY concerned about using endoscopic burring. That bone is not very thick, so only minor sculpting is possible without the risk of breaking through or making the bone so thin that a minor impact in that area could break the bone and leave a permanent depression in your forehead.

I'm not sure why you are considering 'scalp advancement'. I was under the impression that you suffer significant MPB.

Clara

Well Im for the most part happy with my face, I just want to correct AGE... I do have "brow bossing" BUT I havent had any problems... I mean Im told I have beautiful eyes and all that... So Im gonna trust the doc to do his best with a less invasive procedure....

My mother and my sister also have while less pronounced, somewhat "masculine" foreheads... By that I mean they have eyes that are sunken into the sockets like mine and brows that arent as high up as some women... They are still women though and they were both beautiful when they were younger...

Yes I dont have a "hairline " at all... I was thinking that a resection of the bald area with an "advancement" might leave less area to fill in with transplants....

You pay your $$$ and you take your chances... I for one havent heard of a case where a TS womans face collapsed from having FFS...

It is a VERY invasive procedure...

http://facialfeminization.eu/procedures/forehead-recontouring/

Whatever, Ive made up my mind unless DrZ blows it with me in person....

Im SO looking forward to getting this doctor visit over today and getting my shot... Im not sure if it will be 17, 10 or 7mg yet... I guess it will partly depend on what my doc has to say... Today is my 6 month check up and evaluation.... Its hard to believe its only been 6 months but that makes me happy because I still have YEARS left to feminize

I gotta say though Ive enjoyed the PM for a few days though and Im considering adding 500-1000mg daily to my program

While I'll never truly know what its like to be a woman......

Eva, you are a woman and have always been one. You know what you feel like, so you know what that woman feels like. The only thing is, your feelings are influenced by presenting as a man for all those years, as are mine. You have a perspective on gender which not many people can claim. Transwomen are women, and we often obsess over our appearance like many natal women.

My desire for FFS is not aimed at what other people think of my appearance. I'm often told that I have a feminine faces and pass well as a woman. My motivation is completely internal. I want to look in the mirror and see the woman I should have been -- the me without the T. I don't want to change my looks entirely, only to soften my appearance. Therefore, I'm looking for a surgeon who is not overly aggressive; someone who will listen to, and respect my goals. A little FFS will go along way for me to become comfortable with my appearance.

Your goals are different, so your approach is different. That's as it should be. I still recommend having a photo of you modified to show what you are likely to look like after surgery and recovery. It cheap compared to the FFS itself.

Hugs,
Clara

Thanks Clara I donno about a woman but I sure as hell aint masculine anymore and that makes me VERY happy

Im thinking instead I was just going to bring the doc pics of my mother and my sister when they were younger... My mom says I look a lot like my sis and agree but I really think I actually look more like her when she was young...

Im hoping to meet my little sis when I get out there to the old hood... I spent my whole life jealous of her... Im pretty sure I got more of my moms genes in the boob department (she's huge) compared to my sis who is barely an A... Maybe I can make her jealous of me