[spanky (aka Lola)]

That makes two of us Spanky

Lotus is officially out of here as a full time mod this Sat. Oct 31st so he can devote more time to research.

He may quit as moderator , but still pop in to throw new found gems at us

Then I will be a willing target!

[elainecd]

Ah...now I understand.....a well deserved break from being mod.Please just don't leave us completely. Your research is invaluable.

[Atom]

Before you go Lotus, can you look at my program and give some advice?

3 times a day each:
3000 mg PM
4000 mg Nigella powder
5000 mg Shatavari powder
3000 mg Fenugreek powder
3000 mg Fennel powder
1000 mg Borage Oil

Unknown quantity of Peony root, i.e. a very small handful of the dried cut root split into 3 parts

2 times a day:
3 sprays IGF-1 (velvet)
130 mg Forskohlii extract 20%
1500 mg MSM

Plus:
4 ounces uncut pure coconut milk once a day with oatmeal
And coconut oil used for cooking oil daily
Also lots of dairy, e.g. milk, cheese, butter, yogurt
Recently started eating sesame butter regularly

My growth started quickly then slowed down but has never stopped, and I can see a slight increase daily, my boobs are dense though, not soft and squishy, which I guess means not much fat which has surprised me since I have been eating a high fat diet - and size wise after 5 months they are a large handful if you have big hands.

[The First Aria]

Before you go Lotus, can you look at my program and give some advice?

3 times a day each:
3000 mg PM
4000 mg Nigella powder
5000 mg Shatavari powder
3000 mg Fenugreek powder
3000 mg Fennel powder
1000 mg Borage Oil

Unknown quantity of Peony root, i.e. a very small handful of the dried cut root split into 3 parts

2 times a day:
3 sprays IGF-1 (velvet)
130 mg Forskohlii extract 20%
1500 mg MSM

Plus:
4 ounces uncut pure coconut milk once a day with oatmeal
And coconut oil used for cooking oil daily
Also lots of dairy, e.g. milk, cheese, butter, yogurt
Recently started eating sesame butter regularly

My growth started quickly then slowed down but has never stopped, and I can see a slight increase daily, my boobs are dense though, not soft and squishy, which I guess means not much fat which has surprised me since I have been eating a high fat diet - and size wise after 5 months they are a large handful if you have big hands.

I can tell you one reason you have stall.. 3000mg x3 a day.... WAY TOO much. I have gained a cup 1/2 in the last year one just 1200mg per day TOTAL.

Mega dose gives you a jump start, but soon you saturate all of you E receptors and flood you digestive system. Do you liver and other vital functions a favor. Cut the dosage down...... Way down.

Good rule of thumb.

1 type of Estrogen
1 type of Progesterone
supporting vitamins and either AA or preferably an aromatase.

you have a very complicated and duplicative program. That is probably why you stalled out.

[Atom]

I can tell you one reason you have stall.. 3000mg x3 a day.... WAY TOO much. I have gained a cup 1/2 in the last year one just 1200mg per day TOTAL.

Mega dose gives you a jump start, but soon you saturate all of you E receptors and flood you digestive system. Do you liver and other vital functions a favor. Cut the dosage down...... Way down.

Good rule of thumb.

1 type of Estrogen
1 type of Progesterone
supporting vitamins and either AA or preferably an aromatase.

you have a very complicated and duplicative program. That is probably why you stalled out.

That PM is regular powder, not extract.

[The First Aria]

Then that is about 600 - 800 effective ingredients going into the blood stream, per dose. That leaves 2200 mg ineffective liver, pancreas, kidney damaging ingredients tearing your body apart and probably going negatively against your NBE, not to mention life support system damage overall.

It's sort of like taking vitamins for overall health, but they are laced with arsenic. All that makes a body do, is feel good about killing yourself.

PM extract is 3 drops = (1) 500mg capsule at 85 -90% immediately available, w/out as much stress to you digestive and internal organs, sub lingually. DiM will help the body flush unneeded and potentially dangerous overloads of Estrogens. And would work out far cheaper during the course of NBE and potential body hazards otherwise.

[Atom]

Then that is about 600 - 800 effective ingredients going into the blood stream, per dose. That leaves 2200 mg ineffective liver, pancreas, kidney damaging ingredients tearing your body apart and probably going negatively against your NBE, not to mention life support system damage overall.

It's sort of like taking vitamins for overall health, but they are laced with arsenic. All that makes a body do, is feel good about killing yourself.

PM extract is 3 drops = (1) 500mg capsule at 85 -90% immediately available, w/out as much stress to you digestive and internal organs, sub lingually. DiM will help the body flush unneeded and potentially dangerous overloads of Estrogens. And would work out far cheaper during the course of NBE and potential body hazards otherwise.

What is the damaging stuff about PM? I've never heard it is bad in any way, I do get the concept of too much estrogen, but do you mean something else?

[The First Aria]

As many people understand, anything that has a medicinal quality including aspirin has negative aspects too it.

Too much aspirin stresses the stomach lining, liver functions as well as pancreas too.

There are always a certain amount of things that can get into FDA approved drugs. Herbs including PM are not subject to the same harsh scrutiny. Accidental contamination from fungi spores, poor quality or just out and out fraud. That's why many people here have settled on Ainterol as being one of the more trusted brands.

Too much E can cause, as mentioned earlier, DVT's, deadly stress on liver and pancreas and outright be attributed to many forms of cancer.

It also has a way of building up and causing problems down the road even after the stopping of it. Everyone has just so many E receptor's, including bio females. If you have only 2 receptor's ( low number but only used for example ) why take enough to activate 5?? The leftover gets stored in the body. Too much storage and that is what causes toxicity. Toxicity equals cancer's, DVT's, liver damage and other little nasties.

Hence your growth has stopped, but you are still mega dosing?? Some of the xtra goes into the stool thru urine and fecal material. But not all. That gets stored in the fat of the body, liver and pancreas.

[Lotus]

Saturday will be my last day for awhile. As I stated before, Eve extended an invitation on returning anytime I'd like and continue as moderator, I said thank you, that would be awesome. (iaboy, thanks for the help). Thank you myboobs, spanky, elaine and Ella.

We have roughly 100,000 receptors per cell and over a billion cells throughout the body. I posted earlier information regarding receptors in the breasts (20 % of each hormone), although it appears in one male breast cancer study they found positive staining of 66% estrogen receptor and 22% progesterone receptor.

We don't need to overstimulate receptors, supplemental tolerance occurs when we've already reached saturation. It's like bombing the same site over and over even though it's been obliterated the 1st time.

Cell receptors, including hormone receptors, are special proteins found within and on the surface of certain cells throughout the body, including breast cells.
http://www.breastcancer.org/symptoms/dia...erstanding

I did some digging on the ilioinguinal nerve, a branch of the first lumbar nerve (L1). It separates from the first lumbar nerve along with the larger iliohypogastric nerve, electrical stimulation of the ilioinguinal nerve stimulates feminization of spermatic cord via, Leydig insulin-like hormone (Insl3). In other words, pack ur nuts and stimulate the canal......can you say tens unit, lmao. (Shae, you'll appreciate that one).

Synthesize collagen
Progesterone suppresses the P53 tumor gene (aka the prevention of cancer)
Lumbar (L1) stimulates scrotal nerve and T3 via Leydig insulin like hormone (Insl-3)
Estrogen initiates growth
Progesterone matures growth
Growth hormones builds cellular repair needed for breast growth.
IGF-1......IL3 (interleukin3)
promote HSD type 1 & 3, promote activin for FSH, inhibit LH


   

[Lotus]

Before you go Lotus, can you look at my program and give some advice?

Hi Atom, I understand why you chose these products, here's my opinion FWIW. w/dosing options. Some herbs tend to overlap, while others have a specific response. E.g. An herb that promotes milk supply is a direct prolactin response. Prolactin can spike gaba and lower E2, not so great for NBE sometimes, promoting serotonin does support NBE, (coconut oil).


PUERARIA MIRIFCA-

• PUERARIA MIRIFCA- The most potent phytoestrogen, targets E receptors, minor AA (daidzien) pro-aromatase (Genistein), potential to suppress gonadotropins, potential vasoconstrictor, can increase the potential for blood clots relative to estradiol (especially if you are predisposed).
  

PUERARIA MIRIFICA -Moderate Interaction

• 1-2 grams total
  

  Nigella powder (2 grams) results in reduced fasting blood sugar levels, decreased insulin resistance, increased beta-cell function in the pancreas. Inhibits 5 ar (anti-DHT)
  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21675032)
  Molecular targeting of Akt by thymoquinone promotes G(1) arrest through translation inhibition of cyclin D1 and induces apoptosis in breast cancer cells.
  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/24044882/
  
  SHATAVARI-Phytoestrogen, normalizes estrogen levels, prolactin source, adaptogen
  
  Fenugreek stimulates prolactin and estrogen, phytoestrogen, adaptogen, minor 5 ar and aromatase (3 grams, either or, not both)
  
  Fennel •Promotes milk production, nutrient rich for NBE growth, stimulates the growth of breast tissue 2 cups
  
  White Peony root lowers total serum and free testosterone in women with PCOS, regulates LH to FSH ratio. (note-when combined with Licorice root). Depends on his you take it:
  1 gram
  
  130 mg Forskohlii extract 20% (pro aromatase)
  MSM 3-grams (take w/Vitamin C and D. Get exercise (HITT) and it will increase IGF/HGH output naturally, add intermittent fasting and it raises it some 2000%.
  
  OATS-Phytoestrogen, decreases SHBG, source of zinc, iron, vitamins B6, vitamin E and amino acids (1 cup)
  
  YOGURT-Rich in vitamins, calcium and minerals, growth factors stimulate fibroblast proliferation, collagen, probiotic , and has lactic acid component 1 per day
  
  COCONUT OIL- Makes connective tissues stronger, superb antioxidant, neutralizes free radicals and slowing down aging, aids in breast feeding, nature's richest source of MCFAs." aromatase, stimulates hormones, carrier protein, (a must have for breast growth) 5 ar inhibitor 1-3 tablespoons
  
  inflammation is a big obstacle, it's tied to most illness, use caution with increased phytoestrogens, GH's (glucocorticoids), hormones, etc. Take a baby aspirin daily to prevent DVT. Add progesterone cream 1/4 teaspoons 3x a week (apply directly, also protects against breast cancer proliferation), builds breast tissue and inhibits DHT. Add 2-3 cups of green tea, it's also a strong anti-androgen and overall breast cancer pre-emptive measure.