[Lotus]

I was late on buying off on this, but I'm telling you I was pretty impressed after I tried it, I'm talking about the Nutri-Ninja, holy cow they were right, lol it does change your like. The Nutri-Bullet is another one, try QVC or HSN. Great products for NBE.

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http://www.ainterolherbs.com
http://www.ainterolherbal.com
I've ordered PM from both these sites, and received the order within 3-5 days. Although that was several months ago. PayPal and Amazon cards can be purchased at Walgreens and other locations if online purchases don't work for you.

Next is to make sure you have healthy fats in your NBE program, a couple of servings daily,
http://www.acaloriecounter.com/diet/how-...t-per-day/

Make sure you have a fitness program in there, POM has a few threads covering that.

To meet your daily fat needs -- and keep your heart-disease risks low -- choose heart-healthy fats in place of saturated and trans fats when possible. Pick plant-based oils – such as olive, canola, walnut, soybean and flaxseed oils. Choose olives, avocados, nuts, seeds and nut butters – such as peanut, almond and cashew butters. As a point of reference, 1 teaspoon of olive oil contains 4.5 grams of fat, and 1 tablespoon of peanut butter provides 8 grams of dietary fat, reports the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s National Nutrient Database.
Also from livestrong
List of Good Fat Foods
http://www.livestrong.com/article/27454-...fat-foods/

Overview
Far from being the disease-promoting demons that saturated and trans fats are, polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fats are good for you. "Good" fats are essential for proper nerve activity, vitamin absorption, immune system function and healthy cells. Foods generally contain a mixture of fats, but selecting foods that are rich in monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fats (including omega-3 fatty acids) instead of trans and saturated fats helps lower your risk of many diseases. “Good” fats lower “bad” cholesterol in the blood, decreasing risk of heart attack. Omega-3 fats reduce inflammation and stimulate metabolism, and monounsaturated fats lower the risk of breast and prostate cancer.

Nuts (including peanuts) and seeds are an excellent source of good fats. Hazelnuts, almonds, cashews and peanuts all derive more than half of their fat calories from monounsaturated fats. Walnuts and chia seeds (the same ones used to grow fuzzy terracotta pets) are extremely rich in omega-3 fats. Sunflower, sesame and pumpkin seeds as well as Brazil nuts all offer a balance of both poly- and monounsaturated fats. The oils derived from all these nuts and seeds are similarly rich in “good” fats.

Concerning WP, 2-3x daily

I know about the amazon gift cards, I do most of my online shopping that way.

Does virgin coconut oil count, I already use it daily for oil pulling(which has done a lot towards improving my health, especially my mouth), so I like the taste now. It's natural detox benefits would be a nice added bonus.

I'm getting back into regular excercise for the new year, POM already helped motivate me to get back into it again.

People on these forums have been very helpful and I appreciate it.

[Lotus]

Ok back to BO, addressing the relationship between BO and the pituitary release of Growth Hormones. And I'll try to make this as techno free as possible. But if you can get the idea of this it helps to open some doors behind NBE.

First: growth hormone and oral estrogen

Regulating of growth hormone sensitivity by sex steroids: implications for therapy.

Abstract
Growth hormone (GH) is an important regulator of body composition, reducing body fat by stimulating fat oxidation and enhancing lean body mass by stimulating protein accretion. The emergence of differences in body composition between the sexes during puberty suggests sex steroids modulate the action of GH. Work from our laboratory have investigated the influence of estrogens and androgens on the metabolic actions of GH in human adults. The liver is an important site of physiological interaction as it is a sex steroid responsive organ and a major target of GH action. Estrogen, when administered orally impairs the GH-regulated endocrine and metabolic function of the liver via a first-pass effect. It reduces circulating IGF-I, fat oxidation and protein synthesis, contributing to a loss of lean and a gain of fat mass. These effects occur in normal and in GH-deficient women and are avoided by transdermal administration of physiological doses of estrogen. In contrast, studies in hypopituitary men indicate that testosterone enhances the metabolic effects of GH. Testosterone alone
stimulates fat oxidation and protein synthesis, both of which are enhanced by GH. Studies in GH deficiency adults have consistently reported women to be less sensitive to GH than men. In summary, estrogens and androgens exert divergent effects on the action of GH. The results provide an explanation for sexual dimorphism in body composition in adults and the gender-related response to GH replacement in hypopituitary subjects. In the management of hypopituitarism, estrogens should be administered by the parenteral route in women and testosterone be replaced in men to optimize the benefits of GH replacement.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16809927

Bovine ovary is said to cascade growth hormone.

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I my book VCO is absolutey wonderful, just a tablespoon and I feel the difference, so yes it does count.

[Lotus]

Please keep in mind I'm still not comfortable with BO, I'd rather get a root canal w/o the local than use it again.

Here's the big question though, how come we can't find any info regarding BO's content?, what is the composition?. In most cases that info can be found phytoestrogens. Monika stated concerns about transfemme's claims, imo rightfully so. Anybody care to respond?.

My goal was/is to provide info on BO, unbiased.

[QTPiChrissie]

If I could ask- what would you do if you were in my shoes:
Im just starting out with my feminzation- one month into the evanesce formulas. I got 3 bottles of PM delivered today and ordered 3 of BO which will be here in a week.
I started taking 1500mg of PM along with the evanesce stuff today.
What would you recommend I do to start the new year right Lotus? Stick with just PM or alternate when the BO gets here? Keep using the Androease evanesce formula or switch to WP?
Im just beginning and learning so much but its still very confusing.
Happy New Year!
Love,
Chrissie

[Lotus]

Happy New Year back Christie,

Start slowly, and only use one for now. It's not like you'd be losing any ground, your system is going to shocked enough at first, and throwing in multiple herbs won't benefit any additional growth. Quality over quantity.

And don't change who you are, I like your sincerity.

Good luck QTPI...

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If I could ask- what would you do if you were in my shoes:
Im just starting out with my feminzation- one month into the evanesce formulas. I got 3 bottles of PM delivered today and ordered 3 of BO which will be here in a week.
I started taking 1500mg of PM along with the evanesce stuff today.
What would you recommend I do to start the new year right Lotus? Stick with just PM or alternate when the BO gets here? Keep using the Androease evanesce formula or switch to WP?
Im just beginning and learning so much but its still very confusing.
Happy New Year!
Love,
Chrissie

These are the ingredients in what you were taking, the skullcap(too much of an AA) is the only obvious problem if you take BO with the androease.

Evanesce-ES:Chaste Tree berry, Black Cohosh,Red Peony,Dandelion, Dong-Quai,Motherwort,Nettle, Ginger, PM, Valerian, Soy Isoflavones.

Feminol 2.0ong-Quai, Black Cohosh,Chaste Tree Berry,PM, Fennel, Fenugreek, Licorice Root, Kudzu, Sasparilla, Boron

Androease:Agnus Castus,Peony, Skullcap, passion flower.

You can use the androease until you get the BO, even then it might be ok to use on PM days since it's only like 100-200mg of skullcap. Once you start using the BO use the WP on the BO days and on the PM days you don't need WP until you run out of Androease(contains WP).

The feminol and evanesce shouldn't be a problem while on BO, but maybe only take it on days you take the PM.

That's how I'd do it in that situation.


The Evanesce program isn't a bad way to get your feet wet with NBE/ herbal HRT, but it will likely make you sterile after about 6 months(I'm pretty sure it did for me). It got my start there(4 1/2 years), I didn't get a huge amount of breast growth but it did take a huge bite out of my waist measurement(check my BO program to see a picture from behind me of how skinny it made my waist) and did cause rewiring, which I why I used it so long. I actually just came off of the Evanesce program 2 weeks before I started my BO program(Oct 31, 2014).

[MonikaT]

Please keep in mind I'm still not comfortable with BO, I'd rather get a root canal w/o the local than use it again.

Here's the big question though, how come we can't find any info regarding BO's content?, what is the composition?. In most cases that info can be found phytoestrogens. Monika stated concerns about transfemme's claims, imo rightfully so. Anybody care to respond?.

My goal was/is to provide info on BO, unbiased.

I don't necessarily have concerns about Transfemme's claims so much as wonder what the basis is for them. They seem to be the only one making the claims of permanence, and all roads eventually lead back to Transfemme's website when one finds what appears to be corroborating evidence. I just want to see the scientific studies on which they base their claims that BO will re-wire a testosterone-fueled body to aromatise T into E forever and make a male hormonally female after 6 months so be sure you want to be hormonally female for the rest of your life or don't take their product.

Certainly, BO contains bovine estrogen. Being a non-standardized glandular supplement, the amount and type of E will vary from one pill to the next, or at least can. Presumably, the age of the cow will also determine type and quantity of estrogen(s). So, is BO a source of E1, E2, or E3? All of the above? How much of each? I don't know, but I'm almost ready to try it myself for a few months. First, though, I need to get a little healthier before I try that experiment.

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Please keep in mind I'm still not comfortable with BO, I'd rather get a root canal w/o the local than use it again.

Here's the big question though, how come we can't find any info regarding BO's content?, what is the composition?. In most cases that info can be found phytoestrogens. Monika stated concerns about transfemme's claims, imo rightfully so. Anybody care to respond?.

My goal was/is to provide info on BO, unbiased.

I don't necessarily have concerns about Transfemme's claims so much as wonder what the basis is for them. They seem to be the only one making the claims of permanence, and all roads eventually lead back to Transfemme's website when one finds what appears to be corroborating evidence. I just want to see the scientific studies on which they base their claims that BO will re-wire a testosterone-fueled body to aromatise T into E forever and make a male hormonally female after 6 months so be sure you want to be hormonally female for the rest of your life or don't take their product.

Certainly, BO contains bovine estrogen. Being a non-standardized glandular supplement, the amount and type of E will vary from one pill to the next, or at least can. Presumably, the age of the cow will also determine type and quantity of estrogen(s). So, is BO a source of E1, E2, or E3? All of the above? How much of each? I don't know, but I'm almost ready to try it myself for a few months. First, though, I need to get a little healthier before I try that experiment.

I also have my doubts about the permanent T to E conversion. Those claims are likely just a sales tactic. It would be great if it was true, but there's not really any credible evidence to support the claim.
At best it could probably persist for a few weeks/months after stopping. You might be able prolong the effect by taking a maintenance dose, but without the building blocks for aromatization I would think your body would just gradually revert back to using the T again.

The only permanent effects would be some breast growth and potential sterilization.

[Lotus]

Please keep in mind I'm still not comfortable with BO, I'd rather get a root canal w/o the local than use it again.

Here's the big question though, how come we can't find any info regarding BO's content?, what is the composition?. In most cases that info can be found phytoestrogens. Monika stated concerns about transfemme's claims, imo rightfully so. Anybody care to respond?.

My goal was/is to provide info on BO, unbiased.

I don't necessarily have concerns about Transfemme's claims so much as wonder what the basis is for them. They seem to be the only one making the claims of permanence, and all roads eventually lead back to Transfemme's website when one finds what appears to be corroborating evidence. I just want to see the scientific studies on which they base their claims that BO will re-wire a testosterone-fueled body to aromatise T into E forever and make a male hormonally female after 6 months so be sure you want to be hormonally female for the rest of your life or don't take their product.

Certainly, BO contains bovine estrogen. Being a non-standardized glandular supplement, the amount and type of E will vary from one pill to the next, or at least can. Presumably, the age of the cow will also determine type and quantity of estrogen(s). So, is BO a source of E1, E2, or E3? All of the above? How much of each? I don't know, but I'm almost ready to try it myself for a few months. First, though, I need to get a little healthier before I try that experiment.

Exactly, when is the tissue harvested, and how do we know the strength of the hormones, the range could be low to extremely high. (I have similar concerns about the strength of PM). Agreed, the age of the bovine has never been addressed, are they mature? (having reached their estrous cycle, are they in standing heat?, etc). Also what type of feed is used, some use soy which would effect hormonal conditions. More questions than answers, why the mystery?. Transfemme is the only one I've seen address SHBG sex hormone binding globulin, and their explanation could be another topic of discussion.

See this report:


THE BOVINE ESTROUS CYCLE FS921A—George Perry, Extension Beef Reproduction Management Specialist

The percentage of cows that become pregnant during a breeding season has a direct effect on ranch profitability. Consequently, a basic understanding of the bovine estrous cycle can increase the effectiveness of reproductive management. After heifers reach puberty (first ovulation) or following the postpartum a estrous period (a period of no estrous cycles) in cows, a period of estrous cycling begins. Estrous cycles give a heifer or cow a chance to become pregnant about every 21 days. During each estrous cycle, follicles develop in wave-like patterns, which are controlled by changes in hormone concentrations. In addition, the corpus luteum (CL) develops following ovulation of a follicle. While it is present, this CL inhibits other follicles from ovulating. The length of each estrous cycle is measured by the number of days between each standing estrus.

The Anestrous Period
Anestrus occurs when an animal does not exhibit normal estrous cycles. This occurs in heifers before they reach puberty and in cows following parturition (calving). During an anestrous period, normal follicular waves occur, but standing estrus and ovulation do not occur. Therefore, during the anestrous period heifers or cows cannot become pregnant.

Standing Estrus and Ovulation
Standing estrus, also referred to as standing heat, is the most visual sign of each estrous cycle. It is the period of time when a female is sexually receptive. Estrus in cattle usually lasts about 15 hours but can range from less than 6 hours to close to 24 hours. In cattle, the period of time when a female will stand and allow mounting by other animals (Fig 1) is the sexually receptive period.

The full article:
http://beefrepro.unl.edu/pdfs/estrouscycle.pdf

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