Sorry about being away for so long, I was just taking a very long break off from doing any herbs.
(06-10-2015, 04:59 AM)iaboy Wrote: B.C., I think in a lot of cases, you have to give your body a good time to start to "reprogram" itself.
Just think, for x number of years, your male, with mostly androgens coursing with your blood. Now you try to go even slightly in a different direction.... It's a system shock right??
So, I think sometimes it takes a bit of time to change directions, body wise. Does that make sense??
That does makes sens, thank you.
(08-10-2015, 10:12 AM)elainecd Wrote: I won't repeat what's already been said.
You asked what things are noticed. Well, I started one 500mg morning and evening before bed. During the first 6 weeks (I think it was) tingling in the nipples, a different odor to my pee, and a change in my moods. Also, my beard growth slowed dramatically and got softer. my hair did as well.
I increased to two pM caps morning and two evening (where I remain) also added Reishi mushroom (caps and later extract) on Lotus advice along with White Peony extract. I quit the reishi and by the fifth month I had distinct "nodes" in each breast, but still nothing major. nipples and areolas tingling and sore, had to rub to work soreness away.
I almost quit but between April and May, then came some real noticeable growth. By August (first anniversary of pM) I have a good foundation for the second year. And quite satisfied.
Advice? Keep it simple, keep at it and keep coming here for support. And Most of all.....be patient.
Be patient...aw geez that'll be really hard.
Should I take 6 weeks to ramp up doses? I was thinking around half that - take 1 in the am and pm, then a week later add one in the afternoon, then next week add another pill in somewhere, etc.
(08-10-2015, 10:28 AM)elainecd Wrote: To add....I've always been a little leery of folks who come in here and post a nice set after 3 months. Herbs are slow but sure.
Yeah I thought that was a little weird too, but then again I don't have any experience with this stuff. I was curious though - and I really hope this doesn't offend anyone - but it seems like most people before starting herbs have some level of gynecomastia or are on hrt. I always thought you could just start taking pm and grow breast tissue...was I wrong and you NEED to be on hrt or have gynecomastia beforehand for herbs to work???
(16-10-2015, 02:55 AM)stlett Wrote: Ill try to be as objective as possible, although at times that can be quite difficult, 
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Not sure if it has anything to do with the potency however this PM is meant to be a farmed cultivar, some say this type is more potent than the wildcrafted varieties, but I have no idea if this is true 
Is the white peony extract an AA supplement? For that I'm taking spearmint tea.
Have you noticed any changes to your underarm odor?
I had a similar reaction to fenugreek, the lovely maple scent did not take long to show itself. Being skeptical that such a thing would take place, when it did happen I was quite surprised.
Right now I'm really only taking PM + Saw Palmetto, before that I was also taking Borage Oil but that stuff is expensive and I wasn't even sure if it was doing anything.
(20-10-2015, 08:02 AM)julieTG Wrote: Hi
Body hair no real reduction
Hair on head is growing again though
Butt is getting bigger
Shoulders thinning
Waist dropping
Boobs going sideways now
Nipples puffy
Aerolas deepening
Skin on neckthinning
Orgasms different
Male function good
Julie
That's one of the things that makes me a little hesitant about messing around with herbs, I don't want to completely lose my ability to get aroused. But if so far you're not really noticing anything bad with that then I'll take that as a good sign for now.
(25-11-2015, 07:21 AM)xxd Wrote: When I take PM I usually take about 2000MG.
I get girl fat almost overnight.
Apart from the first time (some 3-4 months) I haven't continued more than a couple weeks at a time. Each time I get girl fat and it melts away after several weeks. Some small amount (maybe a spoonful) stubbornly remains around the nipples.
There definitely is an effect from PM for sure. During my first hardcore experiment my boys basically stopped working and my wiener couldn't get hard. That was pretty scary and made it clear to me that these herbs work. So yeah there definitely is an effect. It may have been a combination of PM and the others (take your pick from spearmint, genistein, lavender oil, white peony and licorice)
That said I'm not sure if I have any actual breast tissue. Maybe a very small pea shaped flat spongy layer (not "hard" as I've heard others say) which is a different color (slightly darker) than the areola and nipple.
Recently (last 2-3 weeks) I've noticed that my nipples are erect most of the time. Last week (thursday) my nipples were unbearably itchy after taking PM + reishi monday then Testosterone plus reishi on tuesday then stopping.
I took a rest until today when I took PM plus reishi again.
Now that my white peony has arrived I'm going to try to stack it with Reishi and Testosterone tomorrow to see what happens. Hopefully what will happen is that any test being converted to DHT will be blocked by the reishi and the white peony will aromatize the rest to estradiol which is the hardcore breast growth hormone.
Sorry to hear about your boys, am I right in saying it was because you were overloading your system with herbs? It seems like if you take things slower that that won't be as much of an issue, at least that's what I figured.
