[Heaven's Night]

I got some things cleared up, awesome. One thing I want to point out about the topical protocol so that no one makes a mistake about it, the few things I'm experimenting with which deviate from the base of this program are to test out some new ideas, the core of the program works well on its own, do not get distracted by the side show I have going on with it. Its not necessary, but it may turn out being helpful.

I'll make something on my program listing that makes this apparent as what the topical protocol needs to work is nothing more than DHEA, Prog and E2 along with perhaps a local AA.



fem394, for the creams Biovea brand is pretty good, but they're also expensive. I haven't found others who make DHEA cream who would deliver to Finland so that has been the only one I've had. For progesterone cream I've used many brands, the thing you want in it is USP micronised progesterone. Or it might read USP bioidentical progesteroe. That's the thing you want as that's the real stuff, other than that, shorter list of ingredients is better.

But as DHEA cream is expensive, much cheaper choise is to find micronised DHEA in capsules and using the powder mixed with cream of some sort, that costs a fraction and you can easily get the recommended dose that way. Of course it means a bit more work than ready made cream  but if cost is what makes or breaks, go for it. I've gotten amazing results since I upped my dose using the micronised DHEA powder from capsules. The main difference is dosing, the stuff itself is exactly the same regardless if its cream form or not.

[wee2er]

I concur, mixing micronised DHEA into a cream works really well, I've mixed in oestrogel and progesterone and the DHEA dissolves brilliantly in either.

[SweetO]

Hi Nexum, I'm temporarily using this subforum till I finish posting the information on my topical program. Using topical progesterone builds glandular tissue and side branching, as does DHEA. Estrogel/Estradiol increases the breast size by way of elongation. I'm against cycling progesterone (P4) more than every other day. Essentially you lose progress by going from 2 weeks on P4 to 2 weeks off. As you can see by the amount of information being posted... i put a lot of time gathering research to share why having a topical cream protocol. Even if you think you stalled I uncovered research that states T.E.B.s (terminal end buds) have a reserve (15-20%) that has yet to be used. I believe in that statement because I saw an increase of 3-4 inches by using my program. 

Hi L! I love this new brand thread so much 

"Essentially you lose progress by going from 2 weeks on P4 to 2 weeks off" I think I missed the other part of the puzzle. Damn, why I do not note down things lately, rggghh .

I think this is why I have aching/tenderness but not real growth. I cycle it, meaning I use PC only in luteal phase. And now I get WHY the cis females that were on birth control had such a tremendous boob growth = they were not cycling.    



Now comes the funny part, boob growth vs having the period. I think I will pick the first option for 2-3 months   ... however I know DHEA cannot be taken more than 25 days and Progesterone more than 2 weeks. Oh oh.

[Heaven's Night]

SweetO, Interestingly, I have not lost anything at all despite cycling progesterone 15/15 days. Not slowed down and definitely not lost any volume what so ever, but there's an explanation for that. Bovine Ovary, prog cream and Vitex. Also now Bovine Ovary taken orally and topically. 

I had to take a break from progesterone last year as my prescription ran out and I couldn't renew it and lost no progress, but I had slightly slower progress for a while. I was wondering why and I'm quite sure its BO that does it. Otherwise it doesn't make sense, unless I'm just the weird one out with this.

[Stevenator_]

RC does its own thing to further feminize fat tissue. Though the essence of how it works is a bit nuanced. Meaning, the feminizing effects of using RC (or pioglitazone too) takes longer, and you do want to have your E2 levels leaning towards female levels. I'll explain more later. I take RC with a few droppers in water.

I'm surprised I missed this, because this is excellent news! I've been curious about Pio, but wary of its supposed side effects. It's so cool to know that there is an alternative! I'm currently gaining more fat on my hips, ass & thighs, but it's nice to know now that there's a viable process to accentuate this!

I'm currently using RC Extract in the topical protocol, and taking a few drops orally too. I've been threatening to plant some red clover in the garden and I guess it's high time I do this again.

Thanks!

[Heaven's Night]

Few days shy of 41st month and almost one month on RC extract as part of topicals. I'm quite pleased so far, I think its working, but it'll take some more time to show visible progress. I think my latest pics did look a bit different from some weeks back, but the change lately is the kind I more feel than see in pictures.

Interesting thing about the progesterone cycle, I'm still on it. I haven't lost anything in between, but I'm also on Bovine Ovary and Vitex, both of which should help with progesterone levels. And Prog cream is always on, so maybe this explains it? I don't seem to fluctuate much at all regardless of my progesterone levels.

Anyway, the topicals work like magic and I'm trying to stock up some more. I'm planning to keep it going when I'm recovering from the fat transfer as it might help to retain the results. DMSO in particular might have that effect and I'm sure the breast tissue repair feature of DHEA will come in handy.

[blue_girl21]

I apologize if this seems like a dumb question, but how does this translate to men or trans women wanting to grow breasts?  I’m pretty new to this forum and it seems like this topical method is the most contemporary evolution from a lot of the herbal methods.  When I read about cycling these creams during follicular and luteal phases, that makes me think that this is aimed towards AFAB persons?  Like I said, very new at this, so apologies if I’m asking the wrong question or in wrong place, but just trying to find a safe effective non prescription methods to grow breast tissue as AMAB.  Thank you!

[Heaven's Night]

Search function. Read the topics about topical protocol, there's a specific thread about it which Lotus posted not long ago, your're posting in it, there's more information in her project X thread and I'm doing my own twist on the same program which I talk about a lot in my thread.

So far the topicals we're talking about seem to work very efficiently and safely, all ingredients to it are quite easy to get excluding progesterone capsules and estrogel which are typically behind prescription wall, unless you know how to cirmucvent medical gatekeeping which I wont discuss in much detail on BN.

Cycling might have some benefits to a cis woman or anyone with functioning ovaries, but most likely men and trans women do not need to cycle things. I do it on progesterone as a way to save some money as stocking up on grey market medication is expensive. Also I'm a bit of an outlier as I'm very likely intersex and I have very obvious monthly cycle which causes plethora of symptoms which can only happen when there's fully or partially functional female body parts inside. So I might benefit a bit more from cycling some HRT/NBE items, but most of the time its unnecessary.

I have been on the topical protocol without much breaks for fourteen months, zero side effects of health problems so far. I've kept the main pieces of the program as outlines in this thread, I've added some ingredients and tweaked dosages, but mainly its the very same protocol in its core. Lotus was on it for quite long time, Stevenator is doing it biweekly at the moment and there are few others here who have dabbled with it already. So far nobody has reported any adverse effects and it seems to be very efficient to the point of being a game changing discovery. Note that there are studies linked on the forum on which all this is based upon. Its not like this was invented out of thin air.

I will soonish update about latest experiement with red clover on the side and there's something neat which hasn't even been talked about much yet on this, so more information will be coming. ^_^

[wee2er]

I concur, I've been on the topical regime for a  few months now, and never cycle other than rotate application area between bum, thighs, breasts etc.
I apply it daily before bed - prog cream, RC, cayenne extract with BO (thanks to HN for the BO addition)

[Ernie]

Hi.

My goal is to just grow breasts somewhat before BA surgery to give proper areola size and shape without damaging libido and erectile function.

Im very confused about the protocol. 

Please help me with the few questions:

1. What about anti-androgenes? Flutamide subcutaneous or topical reishi extract or bica if i dont want an ED?
   
2. Is it suggested to start with e2+dhea+rc until buds are complete and then move to e2+p4+dhea+rc with dmso as a solvent?
   
3. What is the point of cayenne and bo in addition? Is it for the beginning or later?
   
4. I can't find suggested dosages. Dhea 75mg, p4 20mg, e2 1mg, rc ??
   
5. Which form of e2 to use if I can't find a cream?
   

I dont want to mess up my health, so I'm reading and trying to understand, but it's scattered and contradictory.

Please help. Thanks.